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    Default Play Wazzup (AI) on FTR!

    {Edit by Eric: We changed Wazzup's name to GlassJoeBot on April 7, 2014}

    We launched the beta version of our single player bot/ai mode, called Wazzup.

    To play him, just go to http://www.flopturnriver.com/chinese-poker/ as you normally would and click on "Play Wazzup".

    Has anyone played him yet? Anyone have any feedback or comments?

    Of course, as this is version 1.0, he isn't the most intelligent opponent, but we're slowly improving him.
    Last edited by Eric; 04-07-2014 at 05:39 PM.
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    I played him today. He should have set 4 to a flush in back on one hand. I'm sure he'll get better with each version.
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    I've played about 40 hands with Wazzup. He fouled in exactly 20 of them.

    I've seen him avoid 4-flushes. He pairs the top w/ 2's and 3's pretty aggressively, too.
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    Yeah he also set QJ444 in the back for me.
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    Really enjoyed playing Wazzup - thanks a lot for developing.

    Wazzup was making similarly strange plays for me as mentioned above. Wazzup fouled 11/30 for instance and made a couple of weird sets imo:

    - Bottom row: Kc Qc 8c 8d 10s
    - four flush set top row 9d and bottom row JQ8ddd8x - Wazzup seems to like pairing 8s at the bottom
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    I always figured you would just be better off playing yourself than a bot. Twice as many moves, still just as challenging.
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    Wazzup managed to hit FL against me and crashed before he could set his hand. Working on that bug.
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    Cool, thanks for making the AI

    I also got to FL, and it crashed on 9th street.


    Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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    ^^ We just fixed that bug. He shouldn't crash anymore when either person is in FL.
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    Had Wazzup set a very goofy 55TJQ/x/x on me just now
    Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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    I'm thinking he should have set the queen in front.

    Wazzup oop


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    Quote Originally Posted by KoRnholio View Post
    Had Wazzup set a very goofy 55TJQ/x/x on me just now
    Haha yikes, that is pretty goofy
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    Quote Originally Posted by KoRnholio View Post
    Cool, thanks for making the AI

    I also got to FL, and it crashed on 9th street.
    Ironically, I also got to fantasyland, and Wazzup also crashed for me on 9th street too
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    I'm thinking he should have set the queen in front.

    Wazzup oop


    I think this hand is too weak to go for FL.
    If I was going to go for FL with this hand, I'd place it:
    Q _ _
    A A _ _ _
    9 2 _ _ _

    That makes the mid strong enough to hold w/o improving. However, I don't like leaving the 92 on the bottom... but maybe it's not really as much of a long shot to make 2 pair as I assume.

    I haven't done any equity calculations on how 2-card hands develop.
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    Wazzup incorrectly set trips in front against me again today. He should never set trips in front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    I think this hand is too weak to go for FL.
    If I was going to go for FL with this hand, I'd place it:
    Q _ _
    A A _ _ _
    9 2 _ _ _

    That makes the mid strong enough to hold w/o improving. However, I don't like leaving the 92 on the bottom... but maybe it's not really as much of a long shot to make 2 pair as I assume.

    I haven't done any equity calculations on how 2-card hands develop.
    If I needed to get to FL with this hand, I would set it 92/AA/Q. But I agree, I wouldn't try to go for FL if I didn't have to
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    Wazzup still does some goofy things, like this a few times to me. Putting a small pair on the bottom making him insta-foul, rather than continuing to go for his live gutshot draw. I had JJJ on the bottom when he placed that 5h on the bottom.

    Wazzup


    Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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    Should Wazzup have played this differently?

    I don't think he should have put the 3 in front on 6th street.

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    Should Wazzup have played this differently?

    I don't think he should have put the queen in back on 6th.

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    Should Wazzup have played this differently?

    It looks like Wazzup 1.0 might not look at the cards shown by his opponent. On this hand he set the last two deuces in the deck in back.

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    Wazzup should not have set the straight in the middle knowing he couldn't beat it on the bottom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    Should Wazzup have played this differently?

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    With the 7 and 4 both reduced to only 2 outs each, I agree with the set.

    6th The Q in the mid since the K's have it covered and it's fully live
    7th The A in the top since I'd rather be drawing 2 to trips or better than capping the bottom to trips. Choosing between the mid and top, I choose top, since if it pairs and the bottom doesn't improve, I foul, and if it doesn't pair, it doesn't help in the mid. So, up top, I don't want it to pair, but A-high is OK for a top hand.
    8th The 2 in the mid since it's fully live, and the mid needs to pair.
    9th The Q to the mid to make a pair.
    10th The 3 up top to prevent a forced pair of A's
    11th The T on the bottom to make 2 pair
    12th The 8 in the mid to maximize chances at a full house
    13th A on the bottom
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    Quote Originally Posted by KoRnholio View Post
    Wazzup still does some goofy things, like this a few times to me. Putting a small pair on the bottom making him insta-foul, rather than continuing to go for his live gutshot draw. I had JJJ on the bottom when he placed that 5h on the bottom.

    Wazzup


    ya i saw this too. this is already fixed in our development version, which we will roll out in the next few days once we do more testing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    With the 7 and 4 both reduced to only 2 outs each, I agree with the set.
    Wazzup isn't complex enough yet to know what the other player has. So I don't think he takes dead cards into consideration yet.
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    Should Wazzup have played this differently?

    MadMojoMonkey (dealer)





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    Wazzup had fantasy land and fouled... looks like he just sorted the cards by rank.

    Also, he got to continue fantasy land after he fouled. Again, played the sorted cards.
    Last edited by MadMojoMonkey; 11-29-2013 at 11:18 PM.
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    Should Wazzup have played this differently?

    I'm not a fan of setting low gutters in back.

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    Should Wazzup have played this differently?

    I don't think he should have set the pair of nines in front on 12th street.

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    Yeah, that was clearly a mistake. It left him with only 3 outs on 1 draw to avoid foul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Wazzup had fantasy land and fouled... looks like he just sorted the cards by rank.

    Also, he got to continue fantasy land after he fouled. Again, played the sorted cards.
    We'll get this fixed - I told Alex about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    Should Wazzup have played this differently?

    I don't think he should have set the pair of nines in front on 12th street.

    Eric (dealer)





    Wazzup


    this is fixed in our development version as well and should be rolled out soon.
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    Should Wazzup have played this differently?

    When setting the first 5, he should have put the K in front.

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    Wazzup should have set Q K 4 in back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    Should Wazzup have played this differently?

    When setting the first 5, he should have put the K in front.

    Wazzup


    This hand is amazing and it plays itself.





    If the final 2 cards come in different order, there's no way you can make this.
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    wazzup doesn't think about FL yet, so that's why he doesn't think about putting Ks or Qs up top.

    i also don't think he looks for 3 flushes yet either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    This hand is amazing and it plays itself.





    If the final 2 cards come in different order, there's no way you can make this.
    ha yeah wow, that's 35 points + FL.
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    Wazzup had position on me. After seeing that I had two fours, he should not have set a 4 in back.

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    Should Wazzup have played this differently?

    I'd have set his hand as 89T/A/K

    KoRnholio (dealer)





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    Should Wazzup have played this differently?

    Wazzup y u no put 3-flush on the bottom?

    KoRnholio





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    yeah, we're going to work on wazzup so he detects and correctly sets 3 flushes, and starts playing for FL. this is when it starts getting more complex, so please let us know if you notice anything funky.
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    some updates: Wazzup should no longer foul in FL (or stay there when he shouldn't) and he shouldn't f himself in unnecessary spots, such as trips up top, leaving himself with only a few outs when he doesn't have to, etc.
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    Wazzup just beat me in a 20 round set for the first time.
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    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
    I think he should have set the 3-flush on 5th street.
    (also, sick brag for my 33 point hand)
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    Yeah, I think X / 3 4 / 2 9 Q is better. Also, congrats on the sf in back with the boat in the middle!
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    Wazzup should not have closed the back on 7th street with a pair of deuces. This meant he would either have a really weak hand or he would foul.

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    Wazzup should have avoided his foul by setting a pair of aces in back on 12th street.

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    Should Wazzup have played this differently?

    He should have set it as AcJc/86/2

    KoRnholio (dealer)





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    Should Wazzup have played this differently?

    Drunk!

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    Should Wazzup have played this differently?

    I like his set after seeing my higher open ended straight draw.

    But after that was some more drunkenness

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoRnholio View Post
    Should Wazzup have played this differently?

    He should have set it as AcJc/86/2
    I agree it should have been 2 / 86 / AcJc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KoRnholio View Post
    Should Wazzup have played this differently?

    Drunk!

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    Yes, I don't like him breaking up kings here to set 3 to a flush (especially since you are showing 2 diamonds).
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    Quote Originally Posted by KoRnholio View Post
    Should Wazzup have played this differently?

    I like his set after seeing my higher open ended straight draw.

    But after that was some more drunkenness

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    Wazzup (dealer)


    This is similar to that hand where he broke up kings. I don't like him breaking up queens to set 3 to a flush (especially with you showing 2 clubs).
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    I don't mind the breaking up of the pair in the queens hand.

    But in both hands, he set the 3 flush in the back, drew more of that suit and placed NONE of them on the bottom for the flush ?!
    Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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    Yeah, setting the K in back on 6th made no sense for him - if he sets 3 to a flush in back then he should give it a chance to get there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KoRnholio View Post
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    wow, ha, yeah he must have had a few shots before playing this one.
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    lol, Wazzup is a drunk sometimes.
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    Should Wazzup have played this differently?

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    Wazzup




    He needs to play either 4-flush bottom and a in mid, or (better, i think)K top, A mid, 3-straight-flush bottom
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    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
    (Pineapple Open Face Chinese)

    givememyleg



    Discard: 7d 9h 5h 2s


    Wazzup (dealer)



    Discard: 7s 7h 2d 4h

    Wazzup doesn't really know when to gamble for FL yet, but his sets are getting better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneByPhi View Post
    Should Wazzup have played this differently?

    OneByPhi (dealer)





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    He needs to play either 4-flush bottom and a in mid, or (better, i think)K top, A mid, 3-straight-flush bottom
    yeah that set is really bad. i agree with your that K/A/543 is best here. it looks like he is ranking gut shot draws on the bottom over 3 or 4 flushes, which isn't good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by givememyleg View Post
    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
    (Pineapple Open Face Chinese)

    givememyleg



    Discard: 7d 9h 5h 2s


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    Discard: 7s 7h 2d 4h

    Wazzup doesn't really know when to gamble for FL yet, but his sets are getting better.
    I would like the set by Wazzup if he was OOP. However, IP, there's less value in the pair of 6's once they're blocked from quads, and 9's up is marginally weak on the bottom. I don't hate conservatively setting X/66/9TQ in regular OFC, but I think the best would be Q/66/T9 for pineapple, or even an aggressive set in regular OFC.

    As played on the set:
    The play on 6th street is poor, because Wazzup played an 8 in the mid and discarded a 7. Since GMML already set 2 8's there's value in discarding the 8. First, Wazzup avoids play a card in the mid, a pair-based hand, that is already twice blocked, and second, discarding the 8 means that GMML has 1 fewer out to his bottom hand than he knows about.

    There's no value in adding straight draws to the mid, since any 9's will be played to the bottom.

    On 6th, I'd play the A7 in the middle. It's too early to block the bottom from a boat.

    On 7th, I'd play Q up top and T in the mid, discarding the 7.

    On 8th, the T goes in the mid, making trips to protect the Q's, and the 9 goes to the bottom, NOT protecting the mid... but with a draw.

    On 9th, I'd play a K up top and a K on the bottom. The 2 pair on the bottom can not protect the mid, and I'd foul.
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    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
    (Open Face Chinese)

    Wazzup is definitely getting better, but he sure has an aversion to setting 3 and 4-flushes in the back..

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoRnholio View Post
    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
    (Open Face Chinese)

    Wazzup is definitely getting better, but he sure has an aversion to setting 3 and 4-flushes in the back..

    KoRnholio (dealer)




    Wazzup


    My guess is that there are basically different AI's needed to play for a flush/straight than to play for a pair-based hands. Wazzup is getting better at playing pair-based hands, but has trouble trying to play flush-based hands.

    If he just ignored FL and played for a flush, it could have gone like this:
    Wazzup




    set: 4-flush on bottom, T in the mid
    6th -> 7 up top, since it's blocked
    7th -> 2 in mid, since it's not
    8th -> on bottom to complete the flush
    9th -> 7 in the mid, since it's unprotected to pair the top, and don't want to lose flush royalties
    10th -> T in the mid to make a pair
    11th -> 4 up top to keep mid open to improve
    12th -> J up top to keep mid open
    13th -> Q in the mid
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    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
    (Open Face Chinese)

    He shouldn't have placed the Th on top on 11th street with a freeroll to FL on the last two streets. It should have gone in the middle to keep the FL Queen draw live and the boat draw live on the bottom.

    KoRnholio (dealer)





    Wazzup


  63. #63
    Thanks for the feedback so far, everyone! We're currently working on the next round of improvements with Wazzup and should roll them out this week.
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    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
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    andreytod (dealer)





    Wazzup


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    Quote Originally Posted by andreytod View Post
    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
    (Open Face Chinese)

    Wazzup


    Definitely. I would have went: x / T 4 / J 6 3

    There is currently a bug where Wazzup isn't detecting flush draws. It should be fixed soon.
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    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
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    Keith (dealer)



    Discard: 4 Q 9 6

    looks like the flush draw was still missed when he put the 8h in the middle row.

    Wazzup



    Discard: 7 6 2 7
    Last edited by Keith; 12-20-2013 at 05:01 PM.
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    Looks like a typical drunk WAZZUP play. The AI doesn't really handle flushes too well right now. It's capable of setting a FD, but spazzes out when playing the rest of the game... it's a work in progress.
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    Yeah, Wazzup chooses from 7 8 Q for his 6th and 7th cards. We should change his logic so that the 8 goes in the back for 4 to a flush next time.

    Otherwise it makes no sense to set 3 card flushes. If one of our first 3 cards after the initial 5 card set helps us with our flush and we don't set it that way then why set 3 to a flush to begin with?
  69. #69
    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
    (Pineapple Open Face Chinese)

    7th street he should have put the ace in the middle and the Js at the bottom to keep the flush draw live.

    KoRnholio (dealer)



    Discard: J J 2 7


    Wazzup



    Discard: 8 2 3 7
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    Quote Originally Posted by KoRnholio View Post
    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
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    7th street he should have put the ace in the middle and the Js at the bottom to keep the flush draw live.
    lol, you're right - he should have put the A and the J in the opposite spots on 7th. No wonder it's so easy to beat him.
  71. #71
    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
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    Wazzup


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    blkglk23,


    I think Wazzup should have put the A in the front instead of the back on 9th street.


    Cheers,
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    i dont think wazzup should set aces on the bottom here.
    (Pineapple Open Face Chinese)

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    Discard: 9 9 9 K


    Wazzup



    Discard: 7 7 9 2
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    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
    wazzup should set the king in front and aa mid.

    (Pineapple Open Face Chinese)

    Eric (dealer)



    Discard: 7 6 J 3


    Wazzup



    Discard: 5 4 4 2
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    Should Wazzup have played this differently?
    No. WP, WAZZUP.
    (Pineapple Open Face Chinese)

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    Discard: 4 6 3 5


    Wazzup



    Discard: 3 4 2 2

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