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  1. #76
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    Here's another rule. If you block fl when setting your 1st draw then you're doing something wrong.

    We've already talked about the fact that this 5 card set with 2 suited cards mid is bad.

    Instead of going X / 7 J / 8 3 3, he should have gone X / 7 8 / J 3 3.

    This bad set led to a terrible mistake with the first draw.

    Drawing 4 6 9, the bot took himself out of contention for fl
    by setting 6 9 in front!

    Had he set X / 7 8 / J 3 3
    then he could put the 4 mid and the 9 in front.

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    Why does it set 4 to a straight and flush mid on the third draw when it has worse than a straight in back?

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    A new version is up. 5 card set issues seem to be taken care of. If you guys agree, let's try to knock out the rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alep View Post
    A new version is up. 5 card set issues seem to be taken care of. If you guys agree, let's try to knock out the rest.
    Ok, does version 5 fix the issue in my last post where it should have set a pair of sevens mid on the third draw instead of 4 to a straight/flush because it only had JJ in back?
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    I don't think so. I'll be looking into all the things after the 5 card set next.
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    Ok, I'll play some hands and focus on the 5 card sets.
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    I don't like this 5 card set of Q / 7 K / 4 J.
    The 7 and 4 should be switched.

    The drawing decisions are weird too but per that recent post, I'm focusing on the 5 card sets right now.

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    This set of K / A / 3 4 4
    isn't bad but I think
    K / A 3 / 4 4 is better.

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    This set of K / A J / T 6 is wrong imo.
    I think K / A 6 / T J is better.

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    Eric, from your last two posts, the first one is an easy fix, the second one - not so. I see that the rationale is to have an overpair for at least one of the cards in M, but that may be a very narrow formulation that can cause side effects. Would you be able to describe it in general terms as a rule to implement?
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    This set of X / 8 6 / J 5 7 is bad.
    It should be X / 8 / 6 J 5 7.

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    This set of Q / 3 A / 4 6 is too restrictive
    if a second ace fails to come.

    Q / 4 3 A / 6 is more flexible.

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    Eric, from your last two posts, the first one is an easy fix, the second one - not so. I see that the rationale is to have an overpair for at least one of the cards in M, but that may be a very narrow formulation that can cause side effects. Would you be able to describe it in general terms as a rule to implement?

    I have 3 posts before that one:
    Q / K7 / J4
    K / A / 443
    K / AJ / T6


    Which one do you want the rule for again?
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    This one:
    K / A / 443
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    This set of Q / 3 A / 4 6 is too restrictive
    if a second ace fails to come.
    This needs clarification as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    This set of X / 8 6 / J 5 7 is bad.
    It should be X / 8 / 6 J 5 7.
    Hmm, strange. I'll look into it.
  17. #92
    The set problems aren't fixed. I played just a few hands a while ago, but it misplayed the set on about half of them.

    Bot gets J9753 and sets xxx/93/J75
    Still making the irrational 2-flush mid set and putting 3 cards that don't all work together in the bottom.

    Bot gets Q9842 and sets Q/84/92 when Q/42/98 is much better.

    Bot gets a super-premium starting hand, AAKK7, and sets it horribly as A/A/KK7 when KK/AA/7 is practically an engraved invitation to FL.

    Bot gets K7542 and sets K/42/75, which isn't super-awful, but with a 3-card straight flush draw I'd prefer K/7/542 (I know this is results-oriented, but the bot did catch the A and the 3).
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    This one:
    K / A / 443

    Ok, this one isn't terrible - it's debatable. It's true that we're more likely to boat up in back by putting a kicker there early even if the kicker is the second worst possible. However, if we fail to boat up in back and we fail to get an ace mid then it is very hard for us to get to fl. By setting the 3 mid we can still get 2 small pair mid and 2 bigger pairs in back and get to fl that way.


    The rule is that setting up a low 2 pair in back is trouble. Phi said it best in an earlier post:
    I have learned from experience that setting a small pair with a small kicker in the back is not a winning line.
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    Originally Posted by Eric
    This set of Q / 3 A / 4 6 is too restrictive
    if a second ace fails to come.




    This needs clarification as well.
    Same thing, we don't want to set for a low 2 pair on bottom. The problem is fixed by setting the 4 mid with the A3.
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    Still the wrong set. Still the wrong choice on the first draw.

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    OK, now I think I've got a pretty good picture of what needs to be corrected on the set. I'll put up an update when I fix these. Let me all know if you uncover anything else to improve the set.
  22. #97
    Should the bot have played this differently?

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    doesn't AkJ63 flush 6789T straight Axx score better
    Last edited by Keith; 03-27-2014 at 04:01 PM.
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    A new version is up. Fixed the kicker issues on the 5-card set. Did not make any improvements to other streets - let's get to those after the set is satisfactory.

    The bot does not place two cards on top on the first street - how important is it? If it is important, what are the rules when it comes to FL pairs on the set?

    Thanks
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    Another update is posted. It is not overplaying mid as it used to. Give it a try.
  25. #100
    Quote Originally Posted by Alep View Post
    The bot does not place two cards on top on the first street - how important is it? If it is important, what are the rules when it comes to FL pairs on the set?
    I don't know about "rules," but I have my system for playing FL cards on the set:

    If you are dealt an FL pair but no other FL cards, put the FL pair on top.
    Example: KK873 sets KK/3/87

    If you are dealt an FL pair with one other FL card, put the smaller card(s) on top and the bigger card(s) in the mid.
    Example: KKQ87sets Q/KK/87
    and
    KQQ87 sets QQ/K/87

    If you are dealt an FL pair with two other unpaired FL cards, put smaller card(s) on top and the bigger card(s) in the mid unless the unpaired cards are AQ.
    Example: AAKQ8 sets KQ/AA/8
    and AKQQ8 sets QQ/AK/8
    but AKKQ6 sets KK/A6/Q (one of the very few hands in which a Q in the first 5 goes on the bottom)

    If you are dealt two FL pairs, put the smaller pair on top and the bigger in the mid.
    Example: AAKK8 sets KK/AA/8

    If you are dealt 5 FL cards that include 2 pair, put the smaller pair on top, the bigger in the mid, and the unpaired card in the bottom.
    Example: AAKKQ sets KK/AA/Q (another of the very few hands in which a Q in the first 5 goes on the bottom)

    If you are dealt 5 FL cards that include trips and 2 unpaired cards, put the trips on the bottom, the smaller card on top and the bigger card in the mid.
    Example: AKKKQ sets Q/A/KKK

    If you are dealt 5 FL cards that make a full house, put the trips on the bottom and the pair on top.
    Example: KKKQQ sets QQ/xxx/KKK

    If you are dealt 5 FL cards that make quads, put the quads on the bottom and the other card on top.
    Example: KKKKQ sets Q/xxx/KKKK

    When you get 2 FL cards that do not make a pair, it's usually best (depending on position and the exact texture of the hand) to put the smaller card on top and the bigger card in the mid. I know this isn't usually relevant to the question of when you might put two FL cards on top on the set, but there are some exceptions.
    Example: KQ987 UTG sets Q/K/987
    but in position if opp(s) show(s) two or three of the Qs, I'd set
    KQ/xxx/987

    The more debatable decision is when you get 3 FL cards that do not make a pair.
    Example: AKQ87 UTG I'd set KQ/A/87
    but in position it would depend on what my opp(s) had set.

    I don't claim my method of playing these hands is "right" or "best," just that this is how I play them.
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    You are a trooper - thanks, Phi. This makes a lot of sense. The logic currently ignores suites when it comes to FL cards on the set. Is this correct?
  27. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by Alep View Post
    This makes a lot of sense. The logic currently ignores suites when it comes to FL cards on the set. Is this correct?
    Ya, flushes on the bottom are all well and good, but getting value out of FL cards should take precedence.
  28. #103
    Is the beta bot now known as the BaldBullBot?

    By the way, it's definitely playing better now.
  29. #104
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    Yes, we renamed him to BaldBullBot today. Also, we renamed Wazzup to GlassJoeBot.
  30. #105
    Should the bot have played this differently?

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  31. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by dawgboy View Post
    Should the bot have played this differently?

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    Eric, BaldBullBot fouled a FL hand. Thought this might help.
  32. #107
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    Thanks, dawgboy.
  33. #108
    Bot foul in FL

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  34. #109
    Next Foul in FL

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  35. #110
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    bot shouldnt set the last two fives on the bottom

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  36. #111
    Should the bot have played this differently?

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  37. #112
    Should the bot have played this differently?

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  38. #113
    Should the bot have played this differently?

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  39. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by dawgboy View Post
    Should the bot have played this differently?

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    Bot fouled a FL hand.
  40. #115
    Hey, Alep (and associates),

    I hadn't played the new bot in a while, but I have played enough hands lately to see that it's playing much better than it did at first. Its strategic "plans" and tactical plays are much sounder. Nice work!

    Thanks, Phi
  41. #116
    Should the bot have played this differently?

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  42. #117
    In the above post:
    1) BOT didn't set the Full House?
    2) BOT set Q in middle on 9th street?
    Curious about those moves...
  43. #118
    Should the bot have played this differently?

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    Why didn't BOT complete Flush on 7th street?
  44. #119
    Should the bot have played this differently?

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  45. #120
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    dawgboy, You're right. It makes no sense for the bot to set 3 to a flush and then discard the first flush card he sees!
  46. #121
    Should the bot have played this differently?

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    BaldBulletBot was in fantasyland. Shouldn't be fouling...
  47. #122
    Should the bot have played this differently?

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  48. #123
    Should the bot have played this differently?

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  49. #124
    Should the bot have played this differently?

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  50. #125
    Should the bot have played this differently?

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  51. #126
    Should the bot have played this differently?

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  52. #127
    Should the bot have played this differently?

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    Its fantasy needs work. I see 2 flushes there and he went with a straight and two pair instead, he only had 10 high on top with it
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  53. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by Vaiok View Post

    Its fantasy needs work. I see 2 flushes there and he went with a straight and two pair instead, he only had 10 high on top with it
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    Yeah,



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    is clearly better.
  54. #129
    Should the bot have played this differently?

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  55. #130
    Yeah...I think the BOT should have set the flush on bottom and two-pair mid.
  56. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by Keybored View Post
    Yeah...I think the BOT should have set the flush on bottom and two-pair mid.
    ya, he really messed up that FL set.
  57. #132
    he's almost better off out of fantasy than he is in it.

    Having trouble posting hands here. Keep getting an error on all the "did i set/play it right" and "help bot" buttons.
  58. #133
    Yeah, we're looking into the posting hand error now.
  59. #134
    Ok, the posting your hand feature is now fixed!

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