This thread will be used to discuss all things pineapple, which you can now play on FTR.
12-09-2013 09:30 AM
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Pineapple Strategy ThreadThis thread will be used to discuss all things pineapple, which you can now play on FTR. | |
12-09-2013 08:45 PM
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What do you think about the way me and gmml set/played this? | |
12-10-2013 03:51 AM
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i def goofed up on second to last draw, but went for glory! | |
12-10-2013 02:36 PM
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Eric, |
12-10-2013 05:44 PM
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12-12-2013 01:00 PM
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a common pineapple problemPlayer 1 |
12-10-2013 02:39 PM
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OneByPhi, | |
12-10-2013 02:45 PM
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Eric, I know this is probably not the place to ask these questions, but I'm new here and not sure where to ask, so: |
12-10-2013 02:48 PM
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Sure, I'll start a table right now. We're also adding Wazzup to pineapple soon. | |
12-12-2013 02:07 PM
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This late in the round, you've got to be concerned with neither fouling nor being scooped. So long as you do not foul, your pair of A's up top will prevent being scooped. | |
12-12-2013 05:11 PM
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In this particular hand the whole issue of scoops/fouls isn't all that relevant to me. Yes, if I make my hand, my As on top are extremely likely to be the best hand at the end, but Villain's hand is virtually foulproof, he has lots of ways to improve to a mid that beats my 8s-up, all three Qs are live for his FL draw, and he still has 2 draws left. I'm just trying to make a hand to earn my 9-point aces bonus and get to FL. |
12-12-2013 09:32 PM
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12-13-2013 07:53 PM
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This is going to be quite tricky. The odds of drawing a pair is hugely dependent on the content of the deck, so every card that is known has to be taken into account. I'll have to run a lot of scenarios to get an idea of how various boards affect this in a more general sense. The solutions I am calculating here are for this specific case. | |
Last edited by MadMojoMonkey; 12-14-2013 at 02:20 AM. | |
12-14-2013 03:45 AM
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12-12-2013 05:43 PM
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Did I play it right? | |
Last edited by givememyleg; 12-12-2013 at 05:46 PM. | |
12-14-2013 03:10 AM
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I usually think Q/AK/77 is best. | |
12-18-2013 04:08 AM
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05-25-2014 10:54 AM
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New here and love the ofc games. Know this is an old post but I doubt if this is right. Going to FL seems like it's worth a lot more value in regular. Your opponent will just set much better hands in pineapple than in regular more so than the one extra FL card gains you. I'd want to play me in FL vs villain in OFC vs villain in pineapple FL and me playing pineapple pretty much any day, right? |
05-25-2014 11:47 AM
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I think what MMM meant was that your POINT expectation is higher, not that your net gain is higher. With 14 cards, big hands come up more often. But since your opponent is seeing 17 cards, and gets his 4 draws 3 cards at a time, his point expectation is much higher. Still FL is well worth it, and you should show a net gain on your FL hands of somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 points over the long haul. |
05-25-2014 01:56 PM
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If I could deal a hand and be in regular ofc fantasy land vs you in regular ofc then you could deal a hand where you were in pineapple FL and I was in regular pineapple I think I'd like that game. That's why I said I don't think saying pineapple FL has more value is right (or even all that close really). |
12-13-2013 10:17 AM
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Did I play it right? | |
12-13-2013 02:37 PM
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I think you have to set the hand this way in pineapple. Not only is it an FL set, but you have some chance at flush/flush and flush/straight hands. On your first draw, you have to play the q up--why else did you set your hand up this way?--and the spade 2 low is all in line with the plan. The next draw sucks, but you should play the T7 in the mid to give yourself a straight draw. You need to catch an 8 and 2 running spades, so fouling is likely, but you are live. The next draw kills you; so it goes. |
Last edited by OneByPhi; 12-13-2013 at 02:43 PM. | |
12-13-2013 02:49 PM
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Okay, on second thought, maybe the K set on the second draw is better than my suggestion because it leaves more doors open. You can still hit a K or 2 pair in the mid and the flush draw on the bottom could convert to a jacks-up 2 pair draw (or trip jacks, 4s, or deuces) if you hit a 9 and a 6 on the next draw. When I thought about this first, I was too focused on making bonus in the mid, but I think your actual play offers more flexibility. |
Last edited by OneByPhi; 12-13-2013 at 02:52 PM. | |
12-14-2013 03:14 AM
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12-17-2013 04:37 PM
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Did I play it right? | |
12-17-2013 06:31 PM
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You can also make a flush and a straight for 8 points in royalties, although you're giving away the top. I don't think you're likely to sweep with any of the sets unless opponent fouls, so maybe biggest bonus is best? |
12-18-2013 04:03 AM
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givememyleg | |
Last edited by givememyleg; 12-18-2013 at 04:06 AM. | |
12-18-2013 09:03 PM
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12-19-2013 12:59 PM
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I've been thinking more about fl type sets and the middle row is key. | |
12-19-2013 01:13 PM
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12-19-2013 04:17 PM
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So I guess what I'm saying is that one of the big adjustments for pine is the ace in the middle thinking. Everyone knows that an ace in the middle is a great thing in regular ofc. In pine I'm not so sure it is a great thing - like I said it is often easier to get a small 2 pair hand in the middle than a pair of aces. | |
12-19-2013 05:58 PM
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Since we have played each other a lot, you know I love the 2-pair, 2-pair, FL pair build, and it's why I don't mind at all hands like Kc, Js, Th, 6h, 4d. They're not among my favorites, but often enough they work out into the structure outlined above. But I think an early Ace in the mid can still be good. I'll happily set |
Last edited by OneByPhi; 12-19-2013 at 06:00 PM. | |
12-19-2013 06:53 PM
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12-19-2013 07:25 PM
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Last edited by OneByPhi; 12-19-2013 at 07:29 PM. | |
12-19-2013 08:06 PM
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Yeah, for me there are 3 choices: | |
Last edited by Eric; 12-19-2013 at 08:14 PM. | |
12-19-2013 08:34 PM
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I just had a hand along these lines: | |
12-21-2013 08:33 AM
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just a one in a million hand |
12-21-2013 08:47 AM
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Did I play it right? |
12-21-2013 02:17 PM
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Keith, | |
12-21-2013 02:26 PM
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You got all the value out of it that you could. I'm guessing you might be fairly new to pineapple, so here's a quick guide for how to set FL hands for max value. The key ideas are to sort by suit first and then by rank and make the hand with the most potential to win royalties and scoop. |
Last edited by OneByPhi; 12-22-2013 at 01:34 PM. Reason: better sample hand for ending | |
12-21-2013 02:41 PM
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OneByPhi, | |
12-22-2013 04:41 PM
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Did I set it right? | |
12-22-2013 08:53 PM
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Your set wins 9 in royalties, will almost never get scooped, and has some chance of a scoop. The only other set to consider is |
Last edited by OneByPhi; 12-22-2013 at 09:00 PM. | |
12-24-2013 09:12 PM
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I couldn't decide whether to put the aces in the front or the middle on 6th and 7th, what do you think? | |
12-25-2013 01:57 AM
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Love the AA up top there. |
12-25-2013 02:22 PM
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12-25-2013 06:44 PM
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I put AA in the middle for my 10th and 11th cards. Should I have put one of the aces in front instead and the 4 in the middle? I would have gotten to fl that way because one of my last 3 cards was a deuce which would have given me trips in the middle. | |
12-27-2013 01:30 PM
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Did I play the 10th and 11th cards wrong? Should I complete the flush there and just put one queen in front? | |
12-27-2013 01:42 PM
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We've been talking about 5 card sets when we have Q, K and A. What do you think of this one in pine? | |
12-28-2013 11:58 PM
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I think this set has high FL potential. You might also consider |
12-27-2013 05:20 PM
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Should I have put the Q in front and waited for another card to complete the flush? | |
12-29-2013 01:40 PM
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Would you set the king in the middle instead of the front? | |
12-29-2013 08:20 PM
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Setting |
Last edited by OneByPhi; 12-29-2013 at 11:21 PM. | |
12-29-2013 09:09 PM
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12-30-2013 06:48 PM
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I dont like the way wazzup set. | |
12-30-2013 07:54 PM
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Ya, there are several better alternative sets. Wazzup's play puts all the eggs in the basket of hitting a gutterball draw for broadway (which isn't even that big a hand if you hit it) and virtually gives up on making FL, despite being dealt 3 FL pair cards. |
12-30-2013 10:15 PM
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I got to choose from Q75 for my 10th and 11th cards, what do you think? | |
01-03-2014 11:49 AM
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01-03-2014 12:00 AM
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Did I play it right? |
01-03-2014 12:11 PM
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I would have set the 3 in the mid although it wouldn't really have changed the outcome. |
01-06-2014 02:36 PM
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Did I set it right? |
01-13-2014 08:12 PM
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01-06-2014 02:51 PM
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OOP in HU OFC: | |
01-06-2014 03:01 PM
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MMM, those are the odds for regular OFC, not pineapple, right? |
01-06-2014 10:24 PM
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yup | |
01-07-2014 01:26 PM
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Did I play it right? | |
01-07-2014 02:01 PM
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I think the decision is pretty easy--even if heartbreaking. The quads on bottom don't do you any good if you foul your hand, and if you set JJ low and muck the 9 on the third draw, you see only 5 outs (two 6s, two 4s, and one 9). (You're actually drawing to only 4 outs because opp mucked a 4 on the first draw, but you don't know that, of course). You also have some chance to draw a pair on the last draw to make your hand; I'd need you to work out the exact odds, but I assume it doesn't add that much to your chances of avoiding the foul. |
Last edited by OneByPhi; 01-07-2014 at 02:03 PM. | |
01-07-2014 02:07 PM
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Yeah, the more I thought about it, the more I realized that it's an interesting, but very straightforward play. | |
01-07-2014 03:05 PM
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ya, i agree, that's an interesting one and def the right play. | |
01-07-2014 04:17 PM
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interesting game, |
01-07-2014 11:30 PM
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Do u set broadway on bottom or do what I did in this pine hand? | |
01-08-2014 12:12 AM
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I like your set, but I think I like Q / A / J T K more. | |
01-08-2014 01:25 PM
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01-08-2014 11:15 PM
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Did I play it right? | |
01-09-2014 01:19 AM
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This spot is pretty similar to the type of hand we have been discussing in the other thread. The big difference is that you don't already have a pair in the mid, so your play on the 2nd draw can only give you 1-pair in the mid, not 2-pair. |