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    Default oop with flopped nut low oesf 1/2 NL

    This was a hand I played this morning around 9am at the tail end of a 20 hour session. I have 200bbs along with pretty much everyone at the the table, my table had broke a few mins before and I got transferred to a new table with relatively unknowns, a few players knew me, but we have a short history so I don't expect anyone to think I'm getting out of line at any point. I only showed down one hand which wwas pocket queens that I raised to 8 utg with. So theyre view was I am probably a typical tag, one guy say me at the other table as he was their about the same amount of time.

    Hero is utg with 3h4h and raises to 8.
    Folds to button who calls, sb and BB complete as well.
    Pot is 32 on flop.
    Flop is 5h6h7c
    SB donks 12
    BB folds, hero raises to 35
    Button completes and SB debates for a min. Then completes.
    Pot is 138 on turn
    Turn is 2d
    SB checks hero bets 75,button calls and SB says "I think my FD is no good" and mucks.
    Pot is 288
    River is 5h6h7c2d9d
    I check and he shoves for 115. Hero???
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    Hero determines if villain has anything other than 8x more than 22% of the time. If so you call, if not, you fold.

    This is close. His flush draw range is unlikely given the SB's comment, which makes 8x his most likely holding by far. But since he only needs to have a strangely played air, 2 pair, a set, an overpair, 44, or the rare other flush draw less than 1 in 4 times to make the call correct it is still tempting to call.
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    Yea it was tough..I ended up calling cuz I thought he would put me on a overpair or busted FD a lot cuz of my image and I figured he would jam with a lot of hands that I beat, more than hands that beat me. And he showed me 10-8 offsuit with no heart so he hit a 6 outer..which is pretty standard nowadays..lol
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    Bet more on the turn ,then you can shove any river.As played,I can snap call or fold depending on who is your opponent. No need to widen & balance your UTG opening range vs donks in these loose live games especially at the end of your long winning session.
    Last edited by pokerfan; 09-18-2011 at 04:49 AM.
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    this largely depends on the age of my opponent

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    Quote Originally Posted by pokerfan View Post
    Bet more on the turn ,then you can shove any river.As played,I can snap call or fold depending on who is your opponent. No need to widen & balance your UTG opening range vs donks in these loose live games especially at the end of your long winning session.
    Are you saying that I should of never been in this spot to begin with? I thought about that too, that maybe I should of just mucked pre and moved on,but against people who will call a jam with 2 pair on a flush board drawing so thin its ungodly I think situations like this are bread and butter. If I get repopped pre, I can easily muck oop, or if I brick the flop I'm almost never cbetting with a hand like this as I will get called down light almost every time.realistically I should of jammed turn to make it look like a naked FD or that I'm trying to push him off a hand, I noticed at these games people HATE to get bluffed and will call down super light even when they're drawing almost dead.
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    yeah he's saying that 34s UTG is a muck - and he's correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikes View Post
    this largely depends on the age of my opponent
    Agreed. Blue hairs (I lol'd the first time I heard this term- and still do sometimes) are never doing this without the 8. Some I could imagine would only shove with T8 for the ultra nuts, betting smaller or not at all with "just a 9 high straight, he could have T8"
    Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.

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