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    What do I need to work on? Why? I am happy with the results, just not sure about my play.





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    well it would be helpful to see more then this...

    an example chould be like follows:

    3/6 Stuff: only for an example...

    You have this


    this is under positions tab


    botton over the hands on the main screen
    (look above the numbers that you posted for the botton)


    part B of that same page
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    Fanatic, what's your hourly take? Are you getting rakeback? Where do you live?

    If you don't mind me asking....
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    And he's running way too hot from the SB. Jesus.
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    Just figuring if the game is even worth his time...
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    Beats flipping burgers.
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    But yeah, we can figure 90 hands an hour, he's only making like $5ish/hour. Rakeback helps, but this also isn't his normal stake.
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    Rake is so bloody massive

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    ok reposted - the position stats include all my games which skew the results slightly.

    The other ones are just 10/20 limit
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    It looks fine to me. Perhaps with more experience you could play around with open raising your button with a wider range. However, the LAggy play of your opponents is a reasonable defense against this.
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    Yeah - I have purposely stopped bluffing even when the button is folded to me cuz I think it gives me a tighter image and I tend to get sucked into lots of mid or low pairs which I end up calling down heads up and losing.

    But the steal seemed low to me too.

    I also thought maybe my BB defense was too high - but I don't know what reasonable numbers are supposed to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chardrian
    Mid or low pairs which I end up calling down heads up and losing.
    A lot of players noticed 22-55 were -EV to break-evenish on a steal in these games. The better ones stopped stealing with them. Although they should be +EV hot-n-cold, you just can't stand any heat without very strong reads or very terrible blind defenders.

    Quote Originally Posted by chardrian
    I also thought maybe my BB defense was too high - but I don't know what reasonable numbers are supposed to be.
    Seems fine to me. You're getting 3:1, very few hold'em match-ups are a bigger dog than that vs a loose steal. The trick is making sure you're not spewing and are finding value post-flop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chardrian
    I also thought maybe my BB defense was too high - but I don't know what reasonable numbers are supposed to be.
    Seems fine to me. You're getting 3:1, very few hold'em match-ups are a bigger dog than that vs a loose steal. The trick is making sure you're not spewing and are finding value post-flop.[/quote]

    Defending is a big reason why people don't achieve optimal results from their BB numbers (obv) but you're getting 2.5:1 on your hands and against a 33% stealer (standard tag, 30/20, and 40/20 numbers) 50% is a little high. But, against a guy who is stealing 50% of his blinds, like the maniacs I try to sit with, you can basically call any two and have odds to call. Just how high of variance though do you want to face in your blinds with little effect on your winrate?


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    Quote Originally Posted by chardrian
    ok reposted - the position stats include all my games which skew the results slightly.

    The other ones are just 10/20 limit
    On the right hand side above the position stats table there is a filter that you can set for 2 to 6 players if you really just want 6-handed stats
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
    Fanatic, what's your hourly take? Are you getting Rakeback? Where do you live?

    If you don't mind me asking....
    My hourly take have no idea... not enough hands in... to tell really...

    yes i get RB, i happen to have my own little web page so i have a reason to have an affilite acount of my own...

    I live in Ohio... southern Ohio about 45 to 50 min from the Ohio River...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
    Just figuring if the game is even worth his time...
    i'm playing 5/10 SH now... it's going decent only have 6.1k hands running 2.2bb/100... (that's with a massive down swing from yesterday)

    BR is my biggest limitation and getting more mentialy tough to take big down swings...

    i've gotten 100times bettor this year about it then i was before so only time will tell...

    NOTE: durring that sample my hourly win rate was $6.12 an hour (just over 1bb/hr)... that could be a loit bettor...
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    Quote Originally Posted by euphoricism
    And he's running way too hot from the SB. Jesus.
    not really it's not real hard to break even in a 1/3 blind stucture...

    you have to figure to take just the BB 1 time in like 4 orbits to break even...
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    Pump the Vol% up by 4% the pfr by 4-7% and the blind defense down but the button raising (steals up a touch) and you have my style stats.
    I like what i see here.

    As a genral question, do you call down a lot or overplay middle pair type hands? My won@showdown percentage is slightly higher playing 5/10 (certainly so at 3/6) only a couple of percent though. Just wondered if thats a 10/20 or style thing?
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    Pump the Vol% up by 4% the pfr by 4-7%
    That was a joke right?
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    If it aint broke, don't fix it. None of us really have 100% proof that our stats are the correct stats and there are tons of variations. As long as its working for you, don't change a thing.


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    Pump the Vol% up by 4% the pfr by 4-7% and the blind defense down but the button raising (steals up a touch) and you have my style stats.
    However I like what i see here.
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    Pump the Vol% up by 4% the pfr by 4-7%


    That was a joke right?
    Clearer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miffed22001
    As a genral question, do you call down a lot or overplay middle pair type hands? My won@showdown percentage is slightly higher playing 5/10 (certainly so at 3/6) only a couple of percent though. Just wondered if thats a 10/20 or style thing?
    I think one of my occassional leaks is still calling down with hands like AK for showdown value against guys that arent that aggressive so I shouldnt be calling down.

    I still have areas I need to work on - but I've got a basic style that seems to work for me.

    I'll post my next ten K as well - thanks for the feedback.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ihategnomes
    Pump the Vol% up by 4% the pfr by 4-7%
    That was a joke right?
    Not a joke, but this falls under "you're both right."

    After a certain points hand really get marginal and dependent on how badly you can outplay your opponents. Adding an extra hand here and there is good for growing your game. Changing it up expecting better results might be a distaster. This looks like a solid game and I would be careful mucking with it too much too suddenly.

    The typical short-handed player plays too many hands, takes them too far and many bluff too much as well. Also we must consider the rake. You're either playing a hand because you expect to beat the rake or are trying to avoid someone else gettting the best of you with the understanding you both lose to the rake. Many of these guys can be beaten with solid play and better hands. If you really want to step up the violence you need to be able to out-play them with weaker hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
    Quote Originally Posted by ihategnomes
    Pump the Vol% up by 4% the pfr by 4-7%
    That was a joke right?
    Not a joke, but this falls under "you're both right."

    After a certain points hand really get marginal and dependent on how badly you can outplay your opponents. Adding an extra hand here and there is good for growing your game. Changing it up expecting better results might be a distaster. This looks like a solid game and I would be careful mucking with it too much too suddenly.

    The typical short-handed player plays too many hands, takes them too far and many bluff too much as well. Also we must consider the rake. You're either playing a hand because you expect to beat the rake or are trying to avoid someone else gettting the best of you with the understanding you both lose to the rake. Many of these guys can be beaten with solid play and better hands. If you really want to step up the violence you need to be able to out-play them with weaker hands.
    It was actually a joke i was reffering to how i played, but yah to your post none-the-less.
    Chars stats are solid for me

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