limit hands for review - part 2

need some help again - thanks in advance!

hand 1

let me save you the trouble - "fishstick - you're a dumbass!"

i know, i know... but at what point should this have been a dump? i'm thinking i should have folded to his flop raise - i knew i was beat but just couldn't make myself do it. the way i see it, i wasted 2.5 BB on this. at least i got AA again ~20 hands later and it paid off nicely.

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: fishstick is UTG+1 with A, A.
UTG folds, fishstick raises, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) T, T, K (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, fishstick bets, UTG+2 raises, MP1 folds, SB calls, BB folds, fishstick calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 9 (3 players)
SB checks, fishstick checks, UTG+2 bets, SB calls, fishstick calls.

River: (11 BB) K (3 players)
SB checks, fishstick checks, UTG+2 bets, SB folds, fishstick calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB

Results in white below:
fishstick has Ac Ah (two pair, aces and kings).
UTG+2 has Th Jc (full house, tens full of kings).
Outcome: UTG+2 wins 13 BB.


hand 2

different game. MP2 has been seeing 72% of flops, and i've seen him stay to the river with overs and no pair a number of times. he's also annoying me because he'll raise preflop with just about anything from any position (UTG with 22, 46 suited etc).

so i decided to try to isolate him and push. after this hand, there were 3 times he raised UTG (when i was in the big blind) and it got folded around to me, and 3 times i reraised with whatever i held. each time, he'd either fold then or fold to my bluff flop bet.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: fishstick is MP1 with 8, 8.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, fishstick calls, MP2 raises, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls, fishstick calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) K, 3, 4 (3 players)
BB checks, fishstick bets, MP2 raises, BB folds, fishstick 3-bets, MP2 calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 9 (2 players)
fishstick bets, MP2 calls.

River: (8.25 BB) 5 (2 players)
fishstick bets, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: 9.25 BB

Results in white below:
fishstick has 8c 8s (one pair, eights).
Outcome: fishstick wins 9.25 BB.

hand 3

nothing real interesting here. it's the same LAGGY calling station on my left from the last hand, but he's getting sick of me pushing him around. he's backed down a lot preflop, but i know he's itching to push. and sure enough, he raises me again.

so, i say out loud (to the cat) "just give me a f**king 3" - and the poker gods comply!

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (8 handed)

Preflop: fishstick is MP1 with 3, 3.
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, fishstick calls, MP2 raises, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls, fishstick calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 7, 5, 3 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, fishstick bets, MP2 raises, BB calls, UTG calls, fishstick 3-bets, MP2 calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (10.25 BB) 2 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, fishstick bets, MP2 calls, BB folds, UTG calls.

River: (13.25 BB) 5 (3 players)
UTG checks, fishstick bets, MP2 calls, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 15.25 BB

Results in white below:
fishstick has 3c 3d (full house, threes full of fives).
MP2 has 6h 6s (two pair, sixes and fives).
Outcome: fishstick wins 15.25 BB.

Hand 1:

No f'n way you laydown this hand before the river. You're way ahead of a King and have 2 outs against a Ten. 3-bet the flop before going into check + call mode unless the flop raiser is really weak/passive. However, you might be able to fold the river, as just about any hand raising the flop now has you beat.

Hand 2 + 3:
Very well played. With LAgg acting after me, I'm looking for another seat/table though.

Originally Posted by Fnord

Hand 1:

No f'n way you laydown this hand. You're way ahead of a King and have 2 outs against a Ten. 3-bet the flop before going into check + call mode unless the flop raiser is really weak/passive.

interesting take - with that many seeing the flop i was sure someone had to have a Ten (which they did). so is this a case (per SSH) where you're sure you're beat, but you'll win often enough to make it worth paying another 2 BB?

Originally Posted by Fnord

Hand 2 + 3:
Very well played. With LAgg acting after me, I'm looking for another seat/table though.

thanks! ordinarily, i wouldn't have been thrilled with the seating arrangement, but it forced me to tighten up a bit as this guy chased a lot of people out of the pot preflop (not making the best drawing odds) and the guy was just that bad. he burned quickly through 25 BB, and ended up giving half of them to me.

i'm now playing the SSH tight starting hands, and i can see (as mike mentioned) a couple of places to "tighten" even further.

my god, fishstick playing (and loving) limit, will wonders never cease!

Originally Posted by fishstick

interesting take - with that many seeing the flop i was sure someone had to have a Ten (which they did). so is this a case (per SSH) where you're sure you're beat, but you'll win often enough to make it worth paying another 2 BB?

Don't be sure anyone has a Ten, there are only 2 left in the deck and a King might play the same way.

You have a pretty good hand in a raised pot, you shouldn't be looking for reasons to fold in a limit game. At 12:1 on the river, folding there might even be close.