A few more line checks (25plo).

1. Villain seemed pretty straightforward, a bit of a station pre but not noticeably spewy postflop. Is this is a standard push and gambool spot?

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SB ($11)
Hero ($34.80)
UTG ($12.95)
UTG+1 ($25.65)
MP1 ($10)
MP2 ($28.20)
MP3 ($7.15)
CO ($41.10)
Button ($18.70)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, A, J, A.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 3 folds, CO calls $0.25, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero raises to $1.25, UTG+1 folds, CO calls $1, SB calls $1.

Flop: ($4) 2, 3, 8 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.5, CO raises to $14, SB folds, Hero raises to $33.55


2. MP is same from last hand, CO is unknown, probably fishy.

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Hero ($39.90)
SB ($9.75)
BB ($22.75)
UTG ($12.65)
MP1 ($25.75)
MP2 ($20.55)
CO ($14)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, 4, A, 4.
2 folds, MP2 raises to $0.85, CO calls $0.85, Hero raises to $3.75, 2 folds, MP2 calls $2.90, CO calls $2.90.

Flop: ($11.60) T, 6, J (3 players)
MP2 checks, CO bets $10.25 (All-In), Hero ??


3. No reads. How much to bet on river?

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MP ($34.35)
Hero ($54.70)
Button ($12.30)
SB ($16.35)
BB ($30.05)
UTG ($36.05)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J, Q, J, Q.
1 fold, MP raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, 1 fold, SB calls $0.65, BB calls $0.50.

Flop: ($3) 6, J, 5 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $2.5, SB folds, BB folds, MP calls $2.50.

Turn: ($8) 4 (2 players)
MP bets $7.65, Hero calls $7.65.

River: ($23.30) K (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets ??

Hand 1 is a super, super standard push.

Hand 2 is marginal but I think I'd push because you should have enough equity against his range to call getting 2:1. I don't hate just folding though with someone left to act behind you on a board where you're pretty much always behind equity-wise on the flop.

Hand 3 I'd bet between 15 and 20.

1) fine, I'm not excited though. You don't get raised by air or good draws (though there aren't any here). I think he has 88xx 95% of the time.

Against a naked 88 you have odds: http://twodimes.net/h/?z=4283896

2) I don't 3bet pot pre. The 44 is garbage, one flush is good. Min-raise, or 2.5x raise. Then you have enough behind to play some post-flop poker, and maybe some donk will come over top of your min-raise. I don't hate flat calling pre either (since villains are TERRIBLE post).

Snap fold flop. You're either flipping or drawing dead.

3) Turn is gross, he obviously has straight.

He never has the Ad here. I expect him to fold a lot, so I bet $10 and maybe he'll look me up. If not, note that he folds to <1/2PSB on river scare cards.

Originally Posted by twosevoff

Hand 2 is marginal but I think I'd push because you should have enough equity against his range to call getting 2:1.

False.

32/67 dog to naked JTxx
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=4283948

45/55 dog to TP+OESD
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=4283957

10/90 dog to top set (or bottom set)
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=4283970

So you're behind his entire range and if someone behind you wakes up with a set you're fucked. I think villain has TJxx, TTxx, JJxx 80% of the time.

Thanks for the replies guys. Here are a couple more if you care to comment.

4) No solid reads. He seemed pretty straightforward. Are you always betting this turn? What if you get checkraised?

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Button ($23.25)
SB ($24.75)
BB ($20.35)
UTG ($76.20)
MP ($23.30)
Hero ($29.75)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A, J, 7, A.
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 1 fold, SB calls $0.65, BB calls $0.50.

Flop: ($2.25) K, 2, 7 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.5, SB folds, BB calls $1.50.

Turn: ($5.25) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero ???


5) This was a confusing hand for me. Button was tight/solid, and sb was a huge fish. I wasn't sure what to put Button on when he smooth calls flop. Perhaps mid or bottom set? Are you betting turn?

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CO ($15.80)
Button ($24.75)
SB ($26.70)
BB ($73.65)
UTG ($26.85)
Hero ($43.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP with , , , .
UTG calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, SB calls $0.90, BB calls $0.75, UTG calls $0.75.

Flop: ($5) , , (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $4.25, Button calls $4.25, SB calls $4.25, BB folds, UTG folds.

Turn: ($17.75) (3 players)
SB checks, Hero ???

4) you need to bet close to pot almost always. This being an extremely dry flop you could shave some off, but almost all hands have odds againt you (like Kxxx type hands).

I'm betting $4 and getting it all in. He's not putting a 7 in your hand, if he has KK or K7, good for him.

5) Bet pot on flop yo. That leaves around pot behind on turn. Stick it in.

Button 'never' has 99xx. Why would he give free cards to the flush? I think he has K flush draw or maybe 456x wrap (if he was tight post, which most players aren't).

Even if he has top set + OESD (with no flush blockers) you're only a 42/58 dog. If he calls 100% you only need to be ~33%. Happily push this turn, welcome to omahaha.

Originally Posted by swiggidy

Originally Posted by twosevoff

Hand 2 is marginal but I think I'd push because you should have enough equity against his range to call getting 2:1.

False.

32/67 dog to naked JTxx
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=4283948

45/55 dog to TP+OESD
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=4283957

10/90 dog to top set (or bottom set)
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=4283970

So you're behind his entire range and if someone behind you wakes up with a set you're fucked. I think villain has TJxx, TTxx, JJxx 80% of the time.

Folding is probably best on second thought, just because of the person to act behind you, but I still think you have about enough equity against his range to call getting 2:1 if it were heads-up, though it is close. I would say villain has a set <10% of the time and has some combination of one pair plus a straight draw quite a bit. You also have to take into account that some % of the time he is going to be donking around with something you're ahead of, such as a bare fd or bare straight draw. It is PL25 after all.

Originally Posted by swiggidy

1) fine, I'm not excited though. You don't get raised by air or good draws (though there aren't any here). I think he has 88xx 95% of the time.

Against a naked 88 you have odds: http://twodimes.net/h/?z=4283896

I completely disagree that he has a set 95% of the time, unless he's really passive. I think you see two pair, a pair of 8's or overpair plus a flush draw, and a straight draw plus a flush draw fairly often.

Originally Posted by swiggidy

3) Turn is gross, he obviously has straight.

He never has the Ad here. I expect him to fold a lot, so I bet $10 and maybe he'll look me up. If not, note that he folds to <1/2PSB on river scare cards.

Turn is far from gross, you have more than sufficient odds to try to draw out on a straight with top-set plus a flush draw, not to mention that some % of the time you're going to be ahead with your set of jacks. I don't mind a $10 bet on the river as I think you have a decent chance of getting a crying call from a straight, but I prefer a bigger bet because you want it to look bluffy and $10 looks too value-ish.

Hand 4 pot the turn, get it in if he raises. KK and K7 will almost always raise the flop

Hand 5 is another super, super standard shove on the turn. You have an absolute monster hand and you need to charge the draws and avoid having to negotiate the river when it bricks off. I would not be worried at all about the other two people in the hand having sets; they will usually have draws to flat call that flop.

Do you play 25PLO at stars two? I think you're giving the villains way too much credit.

Villains don't typically push TP+straight draw, into a multi-way pot. I also don't think calling with overpair + no redraws is a good idea. I would at least need some read that he's sometimes crazy post flop.

Hand 3 could go either way and I think we're splitting hairs. In this hand an extremely obvious draw hit. I think the typical villain will call since it's "cheap" to see that they were beat. If a less obvious draw hit (gutshot or something) I'm more likely to make a "bluffy" bet since it's harder to figure they're beat.

In hand 3, if he checks the turn, are you betting? Full pot? Keep in mind were a little deep (140bb).

Originally Posted by bdawg56kg

In hand 3, if he checks the turn, are you betting? Full pot? Keep in mind were a little deep (140bb).

Easily. And if he raises easy call.

Also bet pot on the flop. (it's 4 way dude). That will make pot bigger on turn.

I haven't played PL25 in a while, but I have been playing a lot of PL100 on stars and I find that random players without a full buy-in will often desperation push lots of crap when they have less than a PSB on the flop in a re-raised pot. I'd say, at least at PL100, when an unkown player shoves in a case like that, he has something you're flipping with a lot more than something that has you crushed. I dunno though, maybe the PL25 games are a lot more passive than I remember.

Also, in general, when there's no possible straight or flush out there, I'm almost always willing to get it in on the flop with AAxx for a PSB or less.

I was just curious.

From my experience @25PLO people don't typically lead without top 2+. They don't include combo draws as better than 2 pair.