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    Default Fantasyland aggro setting

    I'm a total noob at OFC. I've been playing it as kind of a solitaire game, but this hand I dealt myself I found interesting in terms of how to set it.

    A K Q 8 4

    How many live diamonds would it take to break up the four flush to put Q at the top, K in the middle and A84 diamonds on the bottom in a Fantasyland game?
    Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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    I see the dilemma. We could still hit the flush by having A 8 and 4 in the back with the K in the middle and the Q in front for a good fl setup. Obviously there is an argument for keeping the 4 to the flush in back as well.

    Like you said, the number of live diamonds out there are a factor unless we're utg.
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    The chances of completing a flush based on your round 1 play depends on your position in the game.
    Here are the situations where you are 50% or more to complete the flush. So if there is at least 1 more blocker than I specified, the chances are less than 50%.

    If you're 1st to act:
    a 3-flush is 55%
    a 4-flush is 85%

    If you're 2nd to act:
    a 3-flush with 1 blocker is 56%
    a 4-flush is 59%, even if opponent played a made flush of that same suit

    If you're 3rd to act:
    a 3-flush with 2 blockers is 57%
    a 4-flush with 6 blockers is 53%

    If you're 4th to act:
    a 2-flush with 0 blockers is 58%
    a 3-flush with 3 blockers is 58%
    a 4-flush with 6 blockers is 59%

    *Note that 2nd to act in a 2-player game is the same as 2nd to act in a 3- or 4-player game; 3rd to act in a 3-player game is the same as 3rd to act in a 4-player game.
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    If you are dealt an offsuit 4-card broadway gutshot, I'd break it up to set a fantasyland draw, but I'm not breaking up a really good 4 flush.
    Playing big pots at small stakes.
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    Pretty cool hand. As expected though, any play without setting 4 diamonds on the bottom is costing you money. Here's my simulation.

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    Yeah, not setting 4 to a flush can be an issue. How much value does Warren give to fl setups in terms of points?
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    We're giving Warren a value of 13 at the moment and it might change in the future.

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