Poker pet peeves

My biggest pet peeve ever........... I HATE ALL THOSE BASTARDS THAT BLUFF INTO DRY POTS!

I hate trash talkers, especially when what they are saying is all crap.

Originally Posted by Les_'worm'

My biggest pet peeve ever........... I HATE ALL THOSE BASTARDS THAT BLUFF INTO DRY POTS!

Cash games, I don't mind them. It's the late in a tourny bluffers who keep one more guy alive. It drives me mad. Mad with anger.

-'rilla

Ok so i hate the player that makes a big stack in a SNG out o pure luck, and then when it gets on the bubble he starts calling all ins with pure crap so he lets players recover of him. Ughh i hate that kind of player...


-anto

My list of peeves could go on and on.

-Dry pot bluffers, in tourneys. Ring games I see no problem.
-rabbit hunters
-people who whine about AA "always" losing etc.
-people who say "alright, gimme some pocket aces" before every other hand
-people who say "you got Ace-Jack?" if you bet when the board is KQT. Or they say "you got 67?" if the board is 458. Or whatever.
-People who give you perfectly good pot odds to draw and then can't believe you "sucked out" on them, or "rivered" them

But the number one Patented Pet Peeve o' LeFou for all time:
-People who bust me in the Gauntlet !!!!!!!!!

As profitable as they are, calling stations bug me. But it's more because they don't present enough of a challenge, and don't seem particularly interested in winning. (not that I mind it, it's more the principle of the thing)

People who look at their hole cards for the 8th time in the hand. What? Did they change from the first 7 times you looked? (this happens a LOT when playing Omaha Hi/Lo 8-or-better)

Originally Posted by elanto

Ok so i hate the player that makes a big stack in a SNG out o pure luck, and then when it gets on the bubble he starts calling all ins with pure crap so he lets players recover of him. Ughh i hate that kind of player...


-anto

Got a guy like that who always plays in my home games. We call him the Healthinator. He plays loose/aggressive early and manages to get a big stack most of the time, then just calls everybody else's big bets for the rest of the night. When he gets the chips, it's just an indication that the tournament is going to last longer than usual as he patiently redistributes all those chips back to their original owners.

Originally Posted by LeFou

-People who give you perfectly good pot odds to draw and then can't believe you "sucked out" on them, or "rivered" them

Yeah, I "love" that one. Pot's $6, they bet .50 on the flop (with three callers) and a dollar on the turn (with two callers) and then complain that the two pair they flopped died to your gutshot straight. Hi-larious.

People who make a blatantly "wrong" play...and beat me!

People who flat call a pot-sized bet on the flop and the turn with nothing. Shame on them for scaring me.

I forgot to mention one of my biggest frustrations - pot-juicers. Often this is the same guy who constantly minimum-bets no matter what he holds. In this case, visualize a situation at a no limit table, blinds are .25/.50, and maybe five have limped in... small blind calls, then the big blind raises it to $1.

This is a useless raise. Not one of the people who limped in will fold. The only possible strategic purpose of this raise is if your hand is the magical great hand that can hold up and win a large percentage of the time in a six or seven-way pot. i.e. You better hold kings or aces if you do this. And then you still better have your good luck charms on your person. A lot of times if someone raises like that, I'll go ahead and raise it to $2 to do their work for them. If we're gonna play, let's PLAY.

Originally Posted by dalecooper

A lot of times if someone raises like that, I'll go ahead and raise it to $2 to do their work for them. If we're gonna play, let's PLAY.

I agree this raise is annoying, but I hadn't thought of this tactic to use against them. I like this idea! I'll give it a shot next time someone tries this when I'm in the hand.

this fuckin guy i've played with 3 times in a live NL tourney, he folds EVERY single time i bet, so i have to check raise him.

Originally Posted by jmontis

this fuckin guy i've played with 3 times in a live NL tourney, he folds EVERY single time i bet, so i have to check raise him.

I don't see the problem. Folds every time you bet = slowly giving you money. Bleed him all night. Oh, and pre-flop raise all night too. If he wants to play, make him give you money to do so. Then bet the flop no matter what and watch him fold. Rocks are hard to beat quickly but they present almost no variance. They will lose to aggressive players eventually, unless they're hitting the cards of a lifetime.

Originally Posted by dalecooper

What are yours? I have several, although some are making me money:

1. Guys who hang on to high cards too long and are determined to go down with the ship no matter what. Today, a guy raises it preflop to $1, and I call with pocket 7s. The flop comes 345 rainbow. He bets less than pot-sized, I am suspicious and double it. He goes all in for about $9 extra. I am deeply suspicious and call, thinking hey, I have an overpair, a gutshot straight draw, and two outs to the trips. Plus I'm curious, and this feels like a raw bluff. (The "curious" feeling is supposed to be how to lose money in poker, but...) Turn is a blank, river is my third 7, and I win. The hand he mucked (I looked it up thanks to Party's little in-game hand history) was AKo. Going all in with six outs and only two cards to come? Foolish. I don't mind taking his money but you have to wonder how often guys like this bet you off of the winning hand.

2. Habitual check-raisers. They will check-raise anything. The flop could come complete garbage, they'll check-raise you with top pair or even just overcards. Because my natural tendency is to stab at unraised pots, this is one that bugs the hell out of me. If I ID a guy as one of these types of players, I'll stop betting into pots without at least top pair when they're still in the hand.

3. Chronic limpers. People who won't pre-flop raise but will call any raise up to 6X BB with basically any hand. They're eliminating the purpose of the raise. Yesterday I found myself at a pot-limit table with like four of these players - it was really weird. After a while I stopped pre-flop raising and started limping every playable hand, and then just betting when I hit a monster. (At a no-limit table I might have gone the other direction and started really cranking up the pre-flop raises.)

And here's one that used to annoy me until I realized how profitable it was: guys who minimum bet over and over, no matter what they hold. One of these players was minimum betting at me today with a full house. I kept calling with a weak two pair and he made like $1.50 on the hand. That was silly. What I see a lot of is guys with top pair or better betting like that, and guys like me keep calling (because the pot odds are ridiculously good) and hitting weird straights and backdoor flushes. Now I seek out these players. The more of them at a table, the better. They can usually be bet out of most any pot because they don't like big action, and they won't bet you out even when their hand is way better than yours on the flop.

Sounds more like a list of ways to beat you then a list of pet peeves. All of these "pet peeves" you mentioned refer to a type of player you should welcome onto your table because they make it very profitable if you learn to play them correctly. Should retitle the post "My Favorite Type of Players to Sit With"

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Originally Posted by LeFou

My list of peeves could go on and on.

-Dry pot bluffers, in tourneys. Ring games I see no problem.
-rabbit hunters
-people who whine about AA "always" losing etc.
-people who say "alright, gimme some pocket aces" before every other hand
-people who say "you got Ace-Jack?" if you bet when the board is KQT. Or they say "you got 67?" if the board is 458. Or whatever.
-People who give you perfectly good pot odds to draw and then can't believe you "sucked out" on them, or "rivered" them

red my mind

I dislike bluffing into a dry side pot, that is definately annoying. I don't understand the irritation with pot juicers though, 6 callers of a min-raise means a 6$ pot on the flop (25NL), and you'd be amazed at how loose people on party get when there is a decent pot in the center, the implied odds are enormous. Of couse, you dont use this tactic with garbage, but speculative hands -- like small pocket pairs, suited connecters, etc -- become even more profitable.


What I find the most annoying is the rude table talk, there's no reason to treat fellow players the way some do. If a fish makes a bad call and gets lucky, someone should just say nh, the asses forget where a winning players income comes from.

I don't like players that are better than me. everything else is usually huge+EV if it stands out as pet peeve so I'm cool with that.

Mostly some of the ones already mentioned.

"people who whine about AA "always" losing etc."
"People who give you perfectly good pot odds to draw and then can't believe you "sucked out" on them, or "rivered" them"

And then:

People that throw a hissy fit every time they get outdrawn.

People that are ridiculously rude to players whenever they lose a big pot, whether or not the other person played the hand badly.

People that complain about losing a coinflip, or say they never win them. Sure ...

And people that think online poker sites are rigged, and that's the reason they lose money at the game. It has nothing to do with their play, really!

Originally Posted by superdave

Sounds more like a list of ways to beat you then a list of pet peeves. All of these "pet peeves" you mentioned refer to a type of player you should welcome onto your table because they make it very profitable if you learn to play them correctly.

It's almost like you read my post and paraphrased it. Are there no poker players who annoy you even though you're making money off of them? You can make money off of guys who get really mad over beats and rant & rave, but I don't care to play poker with them.

people that check top pair when im in last pos. with top pair but with a horrible kicker and just call my bets down to the river and i get out kicked.....that makes me soooooooo mad!

note: maybe i should stop beting into them

people that raise $.50 in late position so every one calls and it takes forever!

Oh, I thought of another one. I hate it when people will not let go of their small pocket pair. They will play that 66 all the way to the river with many overs because they 'might' get trips.

Originally Posted by Les_'worm'

Oh, I thought of another one. I hate it when people will not let go of their small pocket pair. They will play that 66 all the way to the river with many overs because they 'might' get trips.

I love those guys.

Yeah, I do get a lot of money from those guys but unfortunately when I actually see their pocket pair, its when they hit those trips and show.

My biggest pet peeve is novice players that think they are luring you into a call if they pause for a sickeningly long time on the river before they bet/raise huge. NEWS FLASH....this is one of the easiest moves to recognize and any poker player that has half a brain will surely not pay you off after that pathetic attempt to take their chips!

I was in a SNG last night, first hand someone gets outdrawn by the BB and starts mouthing off about the BB, then says "since you're a biiatch, I'm gonna let my clock run right down every time" and proceeded to, whilst still mouthing off. What a freaking tool.

lucky maniacs

Originally Posted by ChezJ

lucky maniacs

That's why maniacs exist. It's a fragile give and take.

-'rilla

Table coaches or idiots that "tap the glass". I cannot stand seeing bad play berated by so called superior players at a table. I've actually been quite good about biting my tongue when i get sucked out by some absolute horrid cards and giving the winner a "nh" instead of asking them wtf they were doing in a hand with 56o when I raised preflop.

Yeah some good ones in here i'll cut it short and say I can't stand maybe 35% of the players i play against

table coaches are the worst, especially when you know they are right.

I hate people that raise every time they are on the button simply because they are on the button - and the book says they can play crap for a raise in position.........wait a minute, I actually love these people........nevermind.

Suicide pact low stackers who make you fold your mid level hand...

Only to watch it hit and hit hard.

I have 3:

#3: People who suck out on you and then proceed to proclaim their greatness. As in:

"I knew I'd kick your ass!"

Huh? Why do people do this? I almost never chat at the table, so when this happens it's almost always the first thing that's been addressed my way. My response: nothing.

#2: In live NL games and tourneys (this doesn't seem to happen online, for some reason), I get very sick of the "I put you on..." talk. Way too much WPT, guys.

#1: Also in live games, people staring me down for a "read" at a 2/4 limit table. Come on! Again, cut back on the TV and go play some poker.

Oh, and #1a: People beating me. I hate that.

Originally Posted by Brodie

#2: In live NL games and tourneys (this doesn't seem to happen online, for some reason), I get very sick of the "I put you on..." talk. Way too much WPT, guys.

oh man that one is really bloody annoying, especially as some of the people I play with in one game say that all the time and all the time they are dead wrong!

Originally Posted by steelwheel

Originally Posted by Brodie

#2: In live NL games and tourneys (this doesn't seem to happen online, for some reason), I get very sick of the "I put you on..." talk. Way too much WPT, guys.

oh man that one is really bloody annoying, especially as some of the people I play with in one game say that all the time and all the time they are dead wrong!

Yeah i hate those kind of poeple, theyre like..hmmm you can have anything but you definetely dont have the str8, and im thinking well u missed it you big ass i do have the str8...ughh to much WSOP to little poker


-anto

#Game No : 1359410113
***** Hand History for Game 1359410113 *****
$100 NL Hold'em - Tuesday, December 28, 16:55:49 EDT 2004
Table Table 25533 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: LawrenceFats ( $427.23 )
Seat 5: Harib_Allsak ( $96.95 )
Seat 8: DaveTheEvil ( $354.15 )
Seat 10: Travkongen ( $101.95 )
Seat 1: onosel ( $103.85 )
Seat 6: Da_Flopster ( $62 )
Harib_Allsak posts small blind [$1].
Da_Flopster posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Harib_Allsak [ 8s As ]
DaveTheEvil folds.
onosel folds.
LawrenceFats calls [$2].
Harib_Allsak calls [$1].
Da_Flopster checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9h, 2c, Kh ]
Harib_Allsak checks.
>You have options at Table 24371 (6 max) Table!.
Da_Flopster checks.
LawrenceFats checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3s ]
Harib_Allsak bets [$4].
>You have options at Table 24371 (6 max) Table!.
>You have options at Table 24371 (6 max) Table!.
Da_Flopster folds.
LawrenceFats calls [$4].
** Dealing River ** [ 9s ]
Harib_Allsak bets [$10].
LawrenceFats raises [$20].
Harib_Allsak raises [$35].
>You have options at Table 24371 (6 max) Table!.
LawrenceFats: u have trips
LawrenceFats folds.
Harib_Allsak shows [ 8s, As ] a pair of nines.
Harib_Allsak wins $77 from the main pot with a pair of nines.
...
Harib_Allsak: k


I don't mind them so much. You can have the most fun with the guy always looking for the pat on the back after a "good fold."

-'rilla

Well, I've got a newly developed pet peeve that was derived from upping the stakes at my home game.

The guy who plays nothing but good hands, hits and STILL complains about getting unlucky.

We upped the stakes so my weak/weak/tight friend played the total of 3 hands in 2hrs. AA, AKs and 44. AA he won a monster pot on a missread. AKs he made his flush but with 44 he limped and didn't set. Flipped out and threw over his cards. He was talking about how he "never sets" yet I still manage to hit my flushes when I draw as an underdog (with oooozing implied odds, no less.) I just sorta look at him and say "live poker is rigged." and he says in a yelping sincere tone, "It is though!"

What is up with people?

-'rilla

Originally Posted by Les_'worm'

My biggest pet peeve ever........... I HATE ALL THOSE BASTARDS THAT BLUFF INTO DRY POTS!

What do you mean by this? Someone who bluffs into a side pot after someone is all in?

Who would do that and why is it annoying?

nothing bothers me more than when someone takes 15 seconds every time action gets to him to make a decision

I have a few, and I'm sure I've mentioned most of them before. But I have a new one.

I hate people who find the nuts and are scared of them, no matter what they be.

Big pre-flop, flop and turn raise. He calls the river and says, "Do you have 64?" 2nd 8 comes on the river. "Do you have an 8?"

It's just annoying.

Originally Posted by dalecooper

I forgot to mention one of my biggest frustrations - pot-juicers. Often this is the same guy who constantly minimum-bets no matter what he holds. In this case, visualize a situation at a no limit table, blinds are .25/.50, and maybe five have limped in... small blind calls, then the big blind raises it to $1.

This is a useless raise. Not one of the people who limped in will fold. The only possible strategic purpose of this raise is if your hand is the magical great hand that can hold up and win a large percentage of the time in a six or seven-way pot. i.e. You better hold kings or aces if you do this. And then you still better have your good luck charms on your person. A lot of times if someone raises like that, I'll go ahead and raise it to $2 to do their work for them. If we're gonna play, let's PLAY.

I f'n hate that. Particularly from the BB. Then we have to make the full pass around the table, and let everyone who was getting the exact same odd.... continue to get the exact same odds. Sometimes, for sheer meanness, I'll get a checkraise in here just to piss people off if I have the stack to do it.

My other pet peeve is the post-oak betters. I was playing a very loose weak homegame. There was a pot of about 300 chips out there (A large amount by the table standards, and the guy to my left would constantly lead out with a bet of.... 2 chips. Who in the hell is gonna fold to that. He whined a lot too, because everytime he did that, I would come WAY over the top of him. He didn't know how to handle it... but I hate post oak bluffers.

Originally Posted by Jason Shoulders

Originally Posted by Les_'worm'

My biggest pet peeve ever........... I HATE ALL THOSE BASTARDS THAT BLUFF INTO DRY POTS!

What do you mean by this? Someone who bluffs into a side pot after someone is all in?

Who would do that and why is it annoying?

Yes, one player as a short stack goes all in and 2 others call. The flop comes unconnected and one player leads out and bets into me. I think, "Surely you're not bluffing at nothing. You can't possibly be stone cold bluffing becuase you still have to beat the short stack and you win nothing more from me folding except a slightly better chance at winning." And fold. Sure enough, the flip over KQo and lose to the short stacks A3o And I cry becuase my pocket 44 was best and the short stack would be outta the tourny. Essentially the guy says, "I don't want you to leave short stack. I just wanna give you mine and this other guy's money so that we stay just a little bit further away from the money."

It's most frustrating on the bubble.

-'rilla

1) maniacs
2) coffeehousing
3) people who love to say they have the stone-cold nuts on every flop (example: flop comes K K X and they say "oh, my pocket kings are looking really good now")
4) all-in bets into very small pots post-flop, pre-turn with a weak board...what's the point?
5) "the coach" - the guy who thinks he is the poker-guru and wants to tell you EXACTLY what you did wrong on every hand and wants to HELP you by pointing out your "leaks." Yeeeeaaaaaahhhh.
6) my least favorite: people who show no respect to others

The people who go all-in as huge underdogs, catch a lucky card to take all your money, and then act is if you were the one that did something stupid.

Originally Posted by thenonsequitur

The people who go all-in as huge underdogs, catch a lucky card to take all your money, and then act is if you were the one that did something stupid.

thats the worse!

1) The table coach
2) People who take all the time to make a decision EVERY time action comes to them
3) Trash talkers

people who complain about theyre aces getting cracked after they slow played them pre flop, checked the flop and turn and then push in the river...when i have a str8 or flush


-anto