Vanilla Werewolf gameplay thread

[StillDeadMoney]

I'm putting myself up as a safe shot for the vig and to save the seer wasteing a lookup on me and that the wolves are going to try and stoke suspicion on me.....so why are you continuing to stoke suspicion?.

Huh? Why would a villager volunteer to be shot by the vigilante? The vig doesn't have to shoot.

After last game i think that there's a good chance that i will be seered and that the wolves will want to make sure that i get seered so that they can eat me night 2 or 3 and remove one of the lookups with a chance at a special at the same time. Its a strategy that they are bound to have discussed or to use the villages suspicion of me to get me lynched.

Giving reasons for the village not to scan you and volunteering to be shot doesn't sit right with me. I see three possibilities here.

1- You're a wolf just trying to buy time to stay alive.
2- You're a villager that is trying to level the wolves into eating you. I see this as unlikely since you seem to like living into the midgame and endgame.
3- You're the vigilante and did the above on purpose just so that the wolves leave you alone since you want to look like a good lynch and hope you can talk your way out of any lynch attempt. Then shoot people you think are wolves.

In all cases, what you did was absolutely reckless. Any seer that doesn't scan you tonight is a bad player. Scanning you would help figure out what's going on with rilla and gator as an added bonus.

[jackvance]

1- You're a wolf just trying to buy time to stay alive.
2- You're a villager that is trying to level the wolves into eating you. I see this as unlikely since you seem to like living into the midgame and endgame.
3- You're the vigilante and did the above on purpose just so that the wolves leave you alone since you want to look like a good lynch and hope you can talk your way out of any lynch attempt. Then shoot people you think are wolves.

FWIW Keith has used these little gambits in the past when he was a villager.

[Keith]

Huh? Why would a villager volunteer to be shot by the vigilante? The vig doesn't have to shoot.

I assume that you haven't bothered reading the last game. That game is the basis for my play this game as villagers will be suspicious of me whatever and wolves will stoke that suspicion. Ths removes the suspicion about me especially once i am dead and then peoples reactions to this strategy can be examined. You truly have no concept of playing for the benefit of the village have you.

Giving reasons for the village not to scan you and volunteering to be shot doesn't sit right with me. I see three possibilities here.

1- You're a wolf just trying to buy time to stay alive.

yeah great way of staying alive by asking to be shot . We are truly blessed to have someone with such great insight as you display in this game.

2- You're a villager that is trying to level the wolves into eating you. I see this as unlikely since you seem to like living into the midgame and endgame.

why will the wolves eat me ?They know that i'm a villager going to be shot. they need to find the seer and angel . I am making sure that the angel doesn't misfire and hit the angel or seer.

3- You're the vigilante and did the above on purpose just so that the wolves leave you alone since you want to look like a good lynch and hope you can talk your way out of any lynch attempt. Then shoot people you think are wolves.

that gets me lynched day 3 and risks hitting the seer/angel.....not a good idea.

In all cases, what you did was absolutely reckless. Any seer that doesn't scan you tonight is a bad player. Scanning you would help figure out what's going on with rilla and gator as an added bonus.[/COLOR]

scanning me is a ridiculous idea as it wastes a lookup as soon as i get shot. it provides no info at all on rilla or gator. THis is the second time that you are trying to influence the specific players that the seer should look up . it feels like you have an agenda here.


seperate thought is that ong has just highlighted the fact that he tried to stall the bigred wagon ...could be an interesting move from a wolf to gain villager credit once the inevitable wagon succeeded.

[OngBonga]

seperate thought is that ong has just highlighted the fact that he tried to stall the bigred wagon ...could be an interesting move from a wolf to gain villager credit once the inevitable wagon succeeded.

Or it could be ong being ong. I can't be bothered to look through old games, but I'm pretty sure in every one of my villager games I express displeasure in some form when someone I have reason to think is villager gets lynched. And interesting move? It's level 0. Noone gets towncred for saying people are villagers before they die. I don't townread people for that kind of thing, why would I expect towncred for it? I did it to try and slow down the wagon of someone who I didn't think would be so easy to lynch if he was a wolf.

jyms also suggested I was defending bigred for towncred after his villager flip, only jyms then went on to vote bigred. Why is that not of interest to you keith?

[wufwugy]

Wolves kill gabe. He a villager

Warpe done got modgat by some whack ass modfool. I'm sure he's in surgery for a broken hip, but that's no excuse for not posting. Warpe was the vig, but I've made him a regular villager and have redistributed the vig role to a random villager

The Living

bid
ong
sdm
donkbee
keith
jv
jyms
rong
gizmo
gator
daven
hoopy
rilla
tlr
luco

The Dead

ur mom
bugrud
gabe
warpe

The Village

8 villagers
1 every night seer
1 every night angel who can't target the same player on subsequent nights
1 even night vig that can't save bullets and starts firing on Night 2
4 wolves

Day 2 will end in 72 hours. 8 votes to lynch

[StillDeadMoney]

I assume that you haven't bothered reading the last game. That game is the basis for my play this game as villagers will be suspicious of me whatever and wolves will stoke that suspicion. This removes the suspicion about me especially once i am dead and then peoples reactions to this strategy can be examined.

You can't remove suspicion with cheap talk.

yeah great way of staying alive by asking to be shot.

That's level 0 thinking.

why will the wolves eat me ?They know that i'm a villager going to be shot. they need to find the seer and angel . I am making sure that the angel doesn't misfire and hit the angel or seer. that gets me lynched day 3 and risks hitting the seer/angel.....not a good idea.

How do they know the vig will shoot you? How do the wolves know you're not trying to level them?

scanning me is a ridiculous idea as it wastes a lookup as soon as i get shot. it provides no info at all on rilla or gator. THis is the second time that you are trying to influence the specific players that the seer should look up . it feels like you have an agenda here.

It provides info because you interacted with rilla and gator. My only agenda is to find out where you stand.

[BankItDrew]

do you still think you are not as bad as we all think BID?

No

[BankItDrew]

Gabe voted bigred and thought ong was suspicious. I highly doubt the wolves are not trying to multi-level us here into thinking that gabe was on the right track with ong.

Ong is a villager. Nothing so far stands out to me about him being suspicious tbh. My day 1 analysis was just throwing pasta at a wall, just like everyone else here.

I really hate how the bigred wagon seemed to start so quickly. It means that the village gets essentially no read on the players in the game on day 1. Next time we should be discussing our plans but not actually settle on a player until the final 24 hours of the day.

[BankItDrew]

I meant to say that I don't think the wolves are trying to multi-level us. Double negative there...

[rong]

Not much can be read into Gabe getting got. It's pretty standard.

My top suspicions:

Hoopy: for his post about me regarding my initial gator comment. It implied that I was just throwing out names to generate suspicion without reason and completely ignored my follow up posts about it. I take that as deliberate misinformation, especially since he didn't respond when I called him out on it. It could also make sense if Hoopy and gator are on the same wolf team as it was a subtle way of defending gator without actually coming out and doing so in a clear and obvious way.

Gator: for reasons already stated. He was buttering up Rilla who had just attacked him.

Keith: no idea what he's actually doing but calling the vig to shoot him is unlikely to lead to the vig shooting him as Vigs do whatever Vigs wanna do, especially in early game. Could be a way of avoiding being seered.

Sdm and bid both seem like I'd expect them to. I wouldn't be upset at either being lynched as both tend to confuse me and their posts lack any coherence or logic.

[Luco]

Rong really? I know gabe gets nommed early a lot, but he has named four people he thinks are suspicious (Ong, Luco, SDM, Keith) and I'm gonna put forward that argument that if gabe was 0/4 here he would be an unlikely nom - unless the wolves really thought gabe was a special.

[Hoopy]

Ok so I should have some time to actually contribute now, work has been crazy.

SDm is playing aggressively, more than I'd expect a wolf to do early on. Possibly I don't know how he plays well enough though.

My top suspicions:

Hoopy: for his post about me regarding my initial gator comment. It implied that I was just throwing out names to generate suspicion without reason and completely ignored my follow up posts about it. I take that as deliberate misinformation, especially since he didn't respond when I called him out on it. It could also make sense if Hoopy and gator are on the same wolf team as it was a subtle way of defending gator without actually coming out and doing so in a clear and obvious way.

You're exaggerating rong. I made a general comment about how wolves sometimes post and you seem worried by it.

[rong]

Not worried. You cherry picked my posts to make a point. That's not villager behavior.

[jackvance]

I really hate how the bigred wagon seemed to start so quickly. It means that the village gets essentially no read on the players in the game on day 1. Next time we should be discussing our plans but not actually settle on a player until the final 24 hours of the day.

That's what I was saying yesterday. Auto-lynch inactives makes it so easy for the wolves to play, we get so much less information from day 1 now.

[jackvance]

The gabe lynch somewhat surprised me. Lately we've gotten a lot of seemingly random kills which are actually trying to kill specials. I don't think gabe looked like a special though. I'm looking at his list of suspects but atm none of them seem too suspicious. Going to have to keep them in mind though in case they killed him for a reason.

Gator is too quiet. If he was a villager this time around he'd have put more emphasis on that fact for sure.

lynch gator

[rong]

I'd like to see where that goes

lynch gator

[Luco]

The gabe lynch somewhat surprised me. Lately we've gotten a lot of seemingly random kills which are actually trying to kill specials. I don't think gabe looked like a special though. I'm looking at his list of suspects but atm none of them seem too suspicious. Going to have to keep them in mind though in case they killed him for a reason.

Gator is too quiet. If he was a villager this time around he'd have put more emphasis on that fact for sure.

This post reads like villager JV to me. Gator isn't a bad shot today.

lynch gator

[jyms]

Gator is a horrible lynch. If I was modding this game and gator got wolf I would have put his name back in the hat and pulled another anyway. He would have never showed up or pulled some crazy shit because he is genuinely tired of being a wolf. Gator looks like gator.

[StillDeadMoney]

I'll wagon but can change my vote after I see a defense.

lynch gator

[jyms]

Gabe voted bigred and thought ong was suspicious. I highly doubt the wolves are not trying to multi-level us here into thinking that gabe was on the right track with ong.

Ong is a villager. Nothing so far stands out to me about him being suspicious tbh. My day 1 analysis was just throwing pasta at a wall, just like everyone else here.

I really hate how the bigred wagon seemed to start so quickly. It means that the village gets essentially no read on the players in the game on day 1. Next time we should be discussing our plans but not actually settle on a player until the final 24 hours of the day.

BID is wolf two. I told you Ong was wolf one and BID defends him with no real reason on day two. He talks about hating on the bigred lynch looking for villager cred when it was only about an hour or two before the end of day when everyone jumps on There was lots of talk but only two or three real bolds. There really was no other discussions of anyone else as usual on day 1,

Ong and BID

Lynch Ong and I guarantee BID goes next.

[GatorJH]

The gabe lynch somewhat surprised me. Lately we've gotten a lot of seemingly random kills which are actually trying to kill specials. I don't think gabe looked like a special though. I'm looking at his list of suspects but atm none of them seem too suspicious. Going to have to keep them in mind though in case they killed him for a reason.

Gator is too quiet. If he was a villager this time around he'd have put more emphasis on that fact for sure.

lynch gator

Point #1 - Gabe wasn't lynched
Point #2 - Nice basic, no content, post about why he was nommed
Point #3 - Let's say I did get all exuberant about being a villager. Raise your hand if you would have believed me.
Point #4 - We need more discussion so you pretty much start the day with a bandwagon. Interesting.

[GatorJH]

That's what I was saying yesterday. Auto-lynch inactives makes it so easy for the wolves to play, we get so much less information from day 1 now.

We got about as much information from this day 1 as we did with all of the others. Bigred's bandwagon didn't take off until about 6 hours before deadline. Not what I would call a quick end to the day.

[GatorJH]

I'll wagon but can change my vote after I see a defense.

lynch gator

I'm not a wolf. There you go.

[GatorJH]

Jyms is a villager.

[StillDeadMoney]

Let's get a competing bandwagon going to see how the wolves react.

rescind gator

lynch Ong

[Hoopy]

Interesting, rarely ever see 4 quick votes in the early days of the game. Idk what to make of it except JV/rong/luco/sdm probably aren't all wolves. Regardless Gator hasn't looked wolfy or villager to me as of yet.

[NightGizmo]

Gator is too quiet. If he was a villager this time around he'd have put more emphasis on that fact for sure.

I don't see this as a very reliable read. If he started fistpumping that he was a villager, it would have drawn suspicion/criticism, too.

[NightGizmo]

I don't like Rilla's play on day 1. He was first to post, then after the first 10 minutes he only has one other post (which has nearly zero content). And his first few posts on day 1 are mostly just garbage -- pointing empty fingers at JV and me, plus his argument for lynching Gator.

Gator is by every measure the best day 1 lynch in every game format.

I still really dislike this post -- why should Gator, a strong player, be killed on day 1 in every game?

Anyway, because of his strange Gator attack and the fact that he's basically disappeared after the very beginning of the game:

lynch rilla

[Hoopy]

Well I read Ong's big post and while it's factually accurate he doesn't commit himself as much as usual. Point about jyms is semi valid, I I need to look at the bigred wagon.

Three*

Okay. I'm as bad as you think. Wow.

Worrying. Who do you want to lynch?

[GatorJH]

I always find Rilla's early game posts cryptic so I don't have a good feel for him at the moment. Without reading through the thread for Day 1 (which I will do tonight) I remember SDM, BID and JV standing out as the wolfiest followed by Courtiebee (just because I expected her to post more with it being her first game in a while).

[OngBonga]

BID is wolf two. I told you Ong was wolf one and BID defends him with no real reason on day two. He talks about hating on the bigred lynch looking for villager cred when it was only about an hour or two before the end of day when everyone jumps on There was lots of talk but only two or three real bolds. There really was no other discussions of anyone else as usual on day 1,

Ong and BID

Lynch Ong and I guarantee BID goes next.

I was hating on the bigred wagon an hour or two before he was lynched? Funny that, seeing as I was at my mate's playing poker as the deadline neared. You might want to check time stamps and get back to me on that. My bigred defense came around half way through the day, in my mind well enough time to stall it.

You're accusing me of being wolfy for trying to stall the bigred wagon, on the basis that it's an attempt to get towncred. I've explained twice now, make it three, that this is a level 0 play and even then I don't care about town cred. But you're still harping at it.

Meanwhile, you voted for bigred even though you thought I was a wolf trying to get towncred for when he flips villager.

There is a difference between how we responded to the bigred wagon, and I'm thinking it's because there's a difference in our motives. Knowing my motives is town, I'm left to assume you're wolf.

Drumroll please...

lynch jyms

[OngBonga]

Let's get a competing bandwagon going to see how the wolves react.

rescind gator

lynch Ong

How do you intend to see how the wolves react? Do you know who they are?

[OngBonga]

Jyms is a villager.

Can you explain please? Why does a villager lynch someone he thinks is a villager?

[OngBonga]

gizmo and dan villagers.

[OngBonga]

Gator is a horrible lynch. If I was modding this game and gator got wolf I would have put his name back in the hat and pulled another anyway. He would have never showed up or pulled some crazy shit because he is genuinely tired of being a wolf. Gator looks like gator.

This is a horrible thing to say. I would not do this. I considered it last game when I saw gator rolled wolf, but realised that such mod action undermines the game. Mod accepts first rolll of the dice, full stop. You're trying very hard to give gator town cred here. Trying to get towncred before he flips villager are you?

[BankItDrew]

Well I read Ong's big post and while it's factually accurate he doesn't commit himself as much as usual. Point about jyms is semi valid, I I need to look at the bigred wagon.

Worrying. Who do you want to lynch?

Luco
Gator
Rong
Jums

lynch jyms

[BankItDrew]

If gator flips wolf, I can nearly guarantee a luco wolf.

[Luco]

gonna give any reasoning for either of those posts drew? You're giving the bare minimum and I don't like it.

[BankItDrew]

Gator is always a wolf.

Tong foresaw a wagon brewing so he thought it would be advantageous to jump on early for village cred.
Luco jumped on because his teammate rong made it out of control.
Jyms backed away from the gator wagon shitshow for village cred too.

So, gator is always a wolf, and his teammates are all either jumping on him early or getting away when it starts to lose control.

[Luco]

Gator is always a wolf.

Tong foresaw a wagon brewing so he thought it would be advantageous to jump on early for village cred.
Luco jumped on because his teammate rong made it out of control.
Jyms backed away from the gator wagon shitshow for village cred too.

So, gator is always a wolf, and his teammates are all either jumping on him early or getting away when it starts to lose control.

So in summary, when Jv bolded wolf gator, two of his teammates immediately jumped on, basically starting the wagon? Then jyms defended his fellow wolf... for town cred?

I'm struggling to follow your logic here.

[GatorJH]

Gator is always a wolf.

Tong foresaw a wagon brewing so he thought it would be advantageous to jump on early for village cred.
Luco jumped on because his teammate rong made it out of control.
Jyms backed away from the gator wagon shitshow for village cred too.

So, gator is always a wolf, and his teammates are all either jumping on him early or getting away when it starts to lose control.

You need to stop thinking you have this solved at the beginning of day 2, otherwise when you see I am a villager you won't know where else to look.

[BankItDrew]

I'm adding input and therefore info. So at the very least, I'm trying to help.

[TLR]

Couple of things are interesting so far
1 JV starting a quick wagon. Especially after his post on day 1
2 how fast the wagon took off, I read it as half the village is terrified of losing to Gator as wolf again
3 rillas quick attack on Gator out of the blue in day 1
4 Keith behavior which is weird even by Keith standard, assuming that on this lineup you are most the center of attention for the s is strange to say the least

[TLR]

Fucking iPhone, meant to say that Keith assumption that he will be the center of attention for the specials is strange

[TLR]

Don't sense a wolfy vibe from Gator so far
JV and rilla lead the sus

[TLR]

Suspect list

[jyms]

Anyone bolding Gator is a suspect in my books. To bold anyone so quickly on day two when there was no bolding of hardly any opposition to BR on day one is odd to me. Let alone none of those people I remember bolding Gator. Bolding him because he's a tough wolf is stupid when he's easily as good of a villager. If he is around late game then lets discuss it. For now there are far better options.

[Hoopy]

I've never played with SDM before -- with wuf modding, he's taking wuf's place as the self-proclaimed expert?

Missed this burn.

Jyms is a villager.

Why is that?

So let's see. Daven is always late, as wolf and villager. It sucks but I think he'll show up.

I'm nervous about daven, his 3 posts have been out of character.

lynch daven

[jackvance]

I don't get the fuss about throwing out some early votes. It generates useful discussion as you can see. In fact I'm more of people who have a "wow wtf slow down" reaction when nothing much has happened because that's a wolf approach I've seen before (last game).

[jackvance]

^ I'm more suspicious of people

[a500lbgorilla]

I don't like Rilla's play on day 1. He was first to post, then after the first 10 minutes he only has one other post (which has nearly zero content). And his first few posts on day 1 are mostly just garbage -- pointing empty fingers at JV and me, plus his argument for lynching Gator.



I still really dislike this post -- why should Gator, a strong player, be killed on day 1 in every game?

Anyway, because of his strange Gator attack and the fact that he's basically disappeared after the very beginning of the game:

lynch rilla

The post is solid and the thinking behind it is as well. Gator is a great wolf, this comes at a cost to the rest of us. When he's a wolf, he has a way of sliding through the first few days without leaving any real trace of his thinking and then its an enormous hassle to figure him out mid and late game. By putting him out front in the first, I was pressing him to show up and get dirty.

I didn't manage to follow through too well on that, but hey. Gator can cool off while I look for more interesting avenues to press.

[a500lbgorilla]

It also has the added bonus of breaking the trend of normal opener posts that don't get much beyond hey how are yah.

[a500lbgorilla]

FWIW Keith has used these little gambits in the past when he was a villager.

Which is called Keith being Keith, which we learned from last game is role neutral.

Keith's gambit in of itself is also role neutral, though you'll never convince him of that.

[a500lbgorilla]

Why is that?

His post warmed the cockles of my heart. And my heart beats true.

[a500lbgorilla]

Ok so reading through d1...



This is rilla's entrance. This doesn't feel natural to me. I feel that killing gator d1 because he's so awesome a wolf is a dangerous precedent to set. Does that make him auto d1 kill every game? Is that how we reward sick wolfing? Rilla is not thinking this through at all, and that's not like him. Rilla could be a wolf.

SDM's comments about no role strike me as an attempt to fuck with the wolves. This is the kind of thing I remember SDM doing. I can't see him doing that as a wolf so quickly after so long not playing. If SDM is wolf, I think he is a little more friendly in the hope of not pissing people off, aware he's possible d1 lynch. SDM in my villager camp.

rong enters by quickly narrowing it down to bigred. SDM was the first to suggest bigred, rong's post was the 2nd person to put pressure on bigred. Not sure about dan just yet.

gabe ploughs in with a bigred vote. jyms follows suit. Good chance of a wolf here. I'll have more to say about jyms later.

gizmo says he'd be happy with bigred or drew, doesn't join the bigred wagon just yet though.

luco happy with bigred. jack happy with bigred. This is what I mean about him being so easy to lynch. Plenty of people willing, including me up to this point. This is where I try to stall the wagon, it seemed obvious to me by now that bigred must be a villager because everyone is coming in and saying yeah bigred is fine by me. But noone listens to ong, do they?

rong points a vague finger at me for pooping the anti-bigred party.

rilla comes back in with more anti-gator rhetoric, and points vague fingers at jack and gizmo. I think rilla is wolfin.

gizmo starting to post some content. He's finding rilla wolfy too so I'm liking gizmo while I'm unhappy with rilla. Oh yeah and gizmo's rolefishy type comment. It's one of those situations where it kinda leans villager when it shouldn't. I think a wolf would be more aware of comments that look like rolefishing, knowing it looks wolfy, and would thus be less likely to say it in the thread, instead saying it in the den. So villager lean for gizmo.

gator seems relaxed. Would he be relaxed if he binked wolf again? Probably not. Would he act relaxed? Yup. gator is not the kind of guy who will shit on his buddies because he didn't want to be a wolf. He'll do his best. So I'm not happy to dismiss gator as villager because he isn't raging all over the thread. He's too hard to read on d1, so I'm not going to try.

And we get to jyms...





This doesn't make sense. If jyms is a villager, then he should want me dead before deciding to lynch bigred. Yes bigred can be dead weight, but if we know he's villager, then it doesn't matter. You found a reason that bigred might be a villager, even though he hadn't posted yet. But still you want to kill him. Note that when I found a reason for him to be a villager, ie how easy it was to lynch him, I wanted to lynch someone else. That's because I like having my villager reads left alive.

And drew - that comment about three to go could be a pov slip.

So I'm thinking rilla jyms drew. Last one is probably skating by, so I'll punt at hoopy.

Boom. d1 soulread.

We aren't setting a precedent, we're playing 1 game.

[a500lbgorilla]

Ong rereads the thread, nothing makes sense to him.

It's usually ong posts in the thread, nothing makes sense from him.

[a500lbgorilla]

Anyone bolding Gator is a suspect in my books. To bold anyone so quickly on day two when there was no bolding of hardly any opposition to BR on day one is odd to me. Let alone none of those people I remember bolding Gator. Bolding him because he's a tough wolf is stupid when he's easily as good of a villager. If he is around late game then lets discuss it. For now there are far better options.

Very wrong. Laying on a healthy helping of pressure on Gator on Day 2 is a brilliant maneuver.

[a500lbgorilla]

That is pretty interesting and will probably tilt the crap out of you when you see I am a villager this game. Can you say balanced range?

This is exactly what I've been on about. The fact that his contributions to the thread are divorced from his role means the village is better off having a Gator corpse strung up on dancing-wires with a recording playing Gators greatest hits in the background than being left to puzzle him out every game.

[donkbee]

Oh great, two of the reasons I played this game in the first place are dead after day 1.

I always find Rilla's early game posts cryptic so I don't have a good feel for him at the moment. Without reading through the thread for Day 1 (which I will do tonight) I remember SDM, BID and JV standing out as the wolfiest followed by Courtiebee (just because I expected her to post more with it being her first game in a while).

yeah, I have to admit that WW hasn't been a priority in my life these days. And now gabe and Warpe dead, sigh...

gizmo and dan villagers.

who is dan?

There's been so much talk in this thread about past games and people acting differently/same from other games and I feel sooo useless cuz I haven't played in literally years and NO clue how anyone usually acts :S

I think I can tell from this thread who I'm NOT gonna listen to though. Like bankitdrew seems all over the place and so sure he's found wolves and guaranteeing that x is a wolf? Yeahhh... I also don't understand half the things Keith is saying when he posts.

[donkbee]

I'm confused how there's so many bandwagons so early in the day already. rilla, jyms, ong, Gator, daven. The most support is for Gator to die right now, and this is solely because he ravaged you guys in previous games as a wolf? His posts seem mostly carefree and whatever, but apparently this is standard for him?

jyms has been pretty vehement in this thread which seems like something a wolf wouldn't usually do, but I guess I could be wrong here. ong has been talking a lot which I think I would have expected in the first place given how he posts in the MTT forum, and he's mostly been arguing with jyms and tried to save bigred. i guess he could be either way in my mind but i'm leaning towards villager. rilla I don't know...like his posts about Gator kinda make sense but they kinda don't, but maybe that's cuz I don't know why you guys are all so scared of Gator in the first place. I guess I would lean towards bolding daven cuz he kinda looks like a wolf hiding in the shadows, but his quick vote of rilla and then switching to ong on day 1 makes me think he's not a wolf cuz don't wolves usually preplan what they're gonna do before they post?

[jackvance]

That's a nice outsider's perspective post.

[daven]

quick skim, i'll be able to do a proper readthrough later.
I still think ong and rilla look sus from day 1.
Looks like the wolves are playing 'block-the-seer' with their nom choice. Angel and seer take note.

[GatorJH]

This is exactly what I've been on about. The fact that his contributions to the thread are divorced from his role means the village is better off having a Gator corpse strung up on dancing-wires with a recording playing Gators greatest hits in the background than being left to puzzle him out every game.

Best "lynch Gator" post EVER.

[GatorJH]

That's a nice outsider's perspective post.

Yes and enough perspective in it to leave CB alone for a few days.

[GatorJH]

I re-read the thread and this is why I have SDM in my "more wolf than villager" camp. He makes the first post on 4/11 which says he will be out for a couple of days, then follows up with the nail in bigred's coffin 24 hours later. His post once Wuf confirms Bigred was a villager and the first one scream SDM trying too hard to look like a villager.

He has also posted again today which means he wasn't really going anywhere just wanted an alibi for not posting much.

lynch SDM

I'm going to be away for a couple days and won't be able to respond to any accusations. I won't be fake-outing as anything in this game and instead try to keep a low profile. I'll try to live as long as I can to help the village win.

I don't have much to go on other than intuition but I vote to lynch rilla. He seems a little off to me. When I come back I will probably pick a person I think is a villager and piggyback on their voting.

Is it really better to lynch an inactive rather than go wolf hunting on the first day?

Some people are saying that Keith looks like a wolf. I'll make my decision about that tomorrow.

rescind rilla
lynch bigred

I'll put the final nail in bigred's coffin so we can get this game rolling.

My end of day wolf suspects are rilla, gator, gizmo, and tlr.

That was 100% expected. Wolves now get a free swing at the specials. I have a feeling the seer is going to die tonight and the wolves will LOL their way to victory.

[OngBonga]

who is dan?

rong

I'm happy with bee. I don't know how many times you've played in the past, but I'd be impressed if you came across this honest if you were a wolf after such a long time not playing.

gator's point about SDM is pretty sharp. Emerging to hammer a villager when he said he'd be afk is dodgy as hell, and is more than enough to kill the villager lean I gave him for hammering someone who was obviously not special. gator is wolfhunting here, and while this doesn't tell us if he's wolf or villager, it certainly shows us why we shouldn't kill him off early out of paranoia. Even if he's a wolf, he'll be an asset to us, at least to begin with, simply because he has to be to stay incognito. If gator is a wolf, I expect SDM to be a wolf that gator is ruthlessly throwing under the bus before anyone else picks up on his afk lie. And if gator is a villager, then his SDM attack is sincere.

So yeah I can follow gator's lead here...

lynch SDM

[NightGizmo]

Which is called Keith being Keith, which we learned from last game is role neutral.

Keith's gambit in of itself is also role neutral, though you'll never convince him of that.

This is exactly what I've been on about. The fact that his contributions to the thread are divorced from his role means the village is better off having a Gator corpse strung up on dancing-wires with a recording playing Gators greatest hits in the background than being left to puzzle him out every game.

Why are you pushing so hard for a Gator lynch, but praising Keith for the exact same behavior (being role neutral)?

[daven]

Good wolves don't make good villagers.

this is the first post from 'rilla that made me think something is up...
I also don't see gator being lynched on day 1, so startign this wagon and staying would be a good way for a wolf to avoid providing any day 1 tells.

ong immediately jumped on this

rilla's comment does strike me as alarming. Gator is a good villager, he's often nommed early by wolves because he's a threat, rilla should know this so yeah not impressed with him already.

which i'm not sure how to read. My first thought was that it was 'rilla = wolf and ong = wolf going for early separation.

then the bigred wagon started, and ong was keen for that to roll:

I have to say though a bigred lynch makes sense. We know he'll only come to life in endgame, until then it's cats. If we're getting tactical from the outset, then bigred is a good place to start.

Let's wait for everyone to show up though before we allow a wagon to take off.

wolves love the idea of a quick day 1 wagon resulting in a villager lynch cos => nothing to read there. Especially if they're smart enough to not all be heavily involved in it..

meh, my thorough readthrough has only got as far as the 23rd post and i'm convinced on two wolves. Guess i'm taking on wuf;s role.

[daven]

Why isn't bigred usually this easy to lynch on d1? Either wolves haven't showed up in enough numbers to influence the wagons, or bigred is a villager. I can't see bigred being thrown under the bus so quickly. I'd imagine if bigred were a wolf there would be a subtle attempt to move the wagon elsewhere, but everyone seems happy with bigred. Not so sure I am anymore.

We need people to get in here, we've lost a day already and there's still a few people yet to post, including the lead wagon.

bigred's wagon had two votes at this stage. Methinks you protests the wagon speed two much.
wolf.
lynch ong.

[daven]

ong is acting like theres a huge wagon on bigred so that means hes villagery, but the wagon on him isnt really that big. i could see where lots of villagers would agree bigred should die because why kill someone else?

ong is suspicious. lets kill bigred

i like that gabe's read lines up - although i had already skimmed the thread so maybe i picked it up from him in the first place. Yeah, ong, you're a wolf.

[GatorJH]

I also called Ong out on his theory that I am lynched early, which is wrong. I can definitely move to an Ong bandwagon if it takes off.

[GatorJH]

lets see where this goes. rescind SDM, lynch Ong

[jyms]

I Have believed these things as well without stating them. He made anothe post earlier in day 1 too that just seemed so wolfy to me that I am convinced he is the first wolf. I already have him bolded and will stick with this one. I'm going for three games straight finding a wolf on day one

[daven]

Is it really better to lynch an inactive rather than go wolf hunting on the first day?

Some people are saying that Keith looks like a wolf. I'll make my decision about that tomorrow.

rescind rilla
lynch bigred

I'll put the final nail in bigred's coffin so we can get this game rolling.

My end of day wolf suspects are rilla, gator, gizmo, and tlr.

sdm looks wolf for closing the wagon when bigred had just shown up and there was still a chance that the wagon could be switched to the only remaining inactive = warpe.
Obviously the wolves prefer to get a villager mod-kill overnight. SDM?

[daven]

I'll take a look at SDM when warpe dies. If warpe is a wolf, then SDM's hammer of bigred is fishy and probably means SDM should eat a bullet. But if warpe is villager, well I kinda like SDM for village because bigred claimed not special, it might be better for wolves to try and get warpe lynched instead after bigred posts.

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i disagree with your logic. Warpe flipping village does not make SDM likely villager.. Wolves benefit from closing the lynch on bigred and getting the freeroll on a mod-kill.