Ultimate Werewolf

I didn't say BigRed seemed standard, in fact I said the opposite.

Originally Posted by baudib

Daven you wanted Wuf-Keybored wagons in the middle of D2, when did you become convinced Wuf was the seer?

early day 3 (game day = today)
there was a post of his made about aubrey that i just couldn't imagine wuf making without being a seer who had looked her up. I'll go back and find it.

Also if JKDS is a wolf, posting the dictionary definitions of rational and rationale really put pressure on him. Solid wolf-hunting there.

Originally Posted by baudib

What's the case on BigRed? I thought he was being villagery for himself.

Originally Posted by baudib

I didn't say BigRed seemed standard, in fact I said the opposite.

ok, misinterpreted what you meant here then

I admit I'm getting cold feet on the Keith lynch but with him being at l-1/L-2 for so long, it's certainly not villager points for him

if he's a villager it's his own fault

post 299 and wuf seems pretty convinced re aubrey - wolf

Originally Posted by wufwugy

Aubrey's first post reeks (reeks, reeks, rhymes with freaks). It's as if the game starting was a foregone conclusion. But I don't know what that means. I don't know if she knew her role and just decided to sit back, or if she really didn't see the thread until she started posting and just dove right in. Her post about Rong but then MMM bold is standard wolfaubrey though.

So at this point, I like three deaths: MMM, Daven, Aubrey. In that order

same with post 388

Originally Posted by wufwugy

^^^Aubrey's at least tied with wolfiest. She has done the exact same thing as a wolf

Granted I don't remember her vil games and there is a possibility that she would do some highly wolfy things as a villager anyways

then day 2 and this post, bold added for emphasis

Originally Posted by wufwugy

All righty folks. I have decided I am not going to stick to my plans to keep everything as close to my vest as possible, so I'll be putting up some big reads. Overall this will still be much more tempered than normal

Before I do that, though, I want to point out that I think Keybored's post about me is strong indication that he's a villager. I do agree with Keith's logic on Keybored, but I also think that even though the logic is valid, because of how Keybored plays/thinks, it doesn't necessarily mean he's a wolf. Outside of the three specific players I think are wolves, he's probably the next best lynch. But I would prefer three others first

Also Aubrey is a lock villager. I put some brainwork into her characteristics and am confident she's not a wolf. The short of it is that she cares about playing wolf, so if she ever vanishes for long periods of time or if she pops in to give 30 mins of feelings then pops off, she's just a villager. Hell she even does that a special. It's just not her style to care about villaging the way she cares about wolfing.

Originally Posted by wufwugy

im fine with keybored vs wuf.

rescind baud lynch keybored

the only lynch i am wholly not cool with is aubrey. she's a villager. she's probably only going to look at this thread like 5 more times for the whole game, if that. if she was a wolf, she would actually try to participate, but right now, villaging is literally the last thing on her mind

again, bold added for emphasis

Originally Posted by wufwugy

after i die i flip village and everybody thinks they can trust my opinion on aubrey

becuase aubrey and i are friends and everybody knows that, i know that my opinion on her carries lots of sway. it's similar to how when baud said scourrge was ultra confirmed villager, we kinda didnt bother looking at him much

late wagon switches are always wrong. or maybe they're not, but in these games they are

besides, if keith's a wolf, this is what it looks like. who's gonna stop it when the other wolf is bid. gator could be the 3rd, maybe rong. it doesn't even matter what the team is, a wolfkeith wagon looks like this wagon

Originally Posted by wufwugy

late wagon switches are always wrong. or maybe they're not, but in these games they are

besides, if keith's a wolf, this is what it looks like. who's gonna stop it when the other wolf is bid. gator could be the 3rd, maybe rong. it doesn't even matter what the team is, a wolfkeith wagon looks like this wagon

You mean nobody online, nobody cares? Wheres the panic?

Originally Posted by Luco

You mean nobody online, nobody cares? Wheres the panic?

im there isnt much wolves could (or would) do about it. let's say for instance the wolf team is keith/bid/bigred. keith already tried really hard, bid is sunk into his wolf-hole, and bigred never has any sway. even if the team was three killers, trying to deter the wagon might not be the best idea

we talk a lot about wolves protecting wolves, but i think that happens much less than we talk about it. lots and lots of wolf wagons never "feel right". i think not lynching keith is a mistake

Realistically, I'm not gonna catch up on the thread today. I feel a bit bad, but not too bad because some people like the look of their own text too much and it makes the whole thing hard work once you're behind.

Luco, you're right, you pinged out several posts that could be construed as being the cursed reaching out.

I'm none the wiser.

I still wanna lynch baudib, based on my thoughts from earlier and his tone in general. But we're passed that, there's now a whole massive argument out there involving Keith and others and I've read none of it. I have nothing useful to add, so I'm tempted to join the train. But Keith has just seemed Keith to me so I have no reason to.

As far as I can tell my vote doesn't matter today anyway, so meh.

Anyone up for a switch to bid?

Originally Posted by Luco

Anyone up for a switch to bid?

and let keith off the hook?

Hey Rong, if you lynch me we could get the thread down to 10 posts a day, maybe then you could keep up?

Rong probably wouldn't be this useless as a wolf right?

Originally Posted by baudib

Hey Rong, if you lynch me we could get the thread down to 10 posts a day, maybe then you could keep up?

Rong probably wouldn't be this useless as a wolf right?

it's hard to say. this new style of his came a few games after the last time i recall him being wolf

It's not just you baudib, not by any means. You may be top of the post count but there's been a ton of large posts too. It's usually only one or two tthat intense but that seems par for the course these days. Combine that with a busier life for me these days and it begins to become a lot of effort.

Originally Posted by wufwugy

and let keith off the hook?

I dont share your confidence in a keith lynch. Drew, however...

Originally Posted by Luco

I dont share your confidence in a keith lynch. Drew, however...

do you share my confidence that the village doesnt win if keith is allowed to spew his bullshit?

dont get me wrong, i love a bid lynch. i just really hate late switches

besides, im still confident that keith looks just as wolfy as he did earlier

what changed? nothing changed. just that like 40% of the players bolded him. keith isnt a mastermind of defense. he still posted all that wolfy garbage and even if he flips villager things would look the same when he's a wolf

Originally Posted by wufwugy

do you share my confidence that the village doesnt win if keith is allowed to spew his bullshit?

So you'll be sending him back your half of that BFF locket then

Originally Posted by Luco

Anyone up for a switch to bid?

sure rescind cursed lynch BID

the case against me seems to be that daven and bid have supported me "wow" . well bid has said the same as me the last 2 or 3 games even if after a 24 hour delay. If we lynch him you'll still have me digging through the thread and finding the inconsistent mistakes that the wolves will make.

Originally Posted by wufwugy

dont get me wrong, i love a bid lynch. i just really hate late switches

I seem to remember a game where you were campaigning for everyone to switch off a wolf even after they had reached the majority , saying what a mistake everyone was making , only to find that the wolf died. actually you may have done it more than once .

he goes from redfaced hollerin at me being a wolf, then switches to aubrey on the thinnest grounds of relation to me, then switches to the guy i keep saying is just as wolf has him

hey keith, do you now realize why we have no nice things?

Originally Posted by Keith

I seem to remember a game where you were campaigning for everyone to switch off a wolf even after they had reached the majority , saying what a mistake everyone was making , only to find that the wolf died. actually you may have done it more than once .

yeah and it was fucking dumb

some may say that this must be vilkeith since vilkeith says dumb things all the time. i think wolfkeith says even dumber things than vilkeith

after all , if i'm dead , bid won't know what to say . Thats a double penalty for mislynching me.

Originally Posted by Keith

after all , if i'm dead , bid won't know what to say . Thats a double penalty for mislynching me.

lol keith, thats quite the admission

i dont get it

Originally Posted by wufwugy

some may say that this must be vilkeith since vilkeith says dumb things all the time. i think wolfkeith says even dumber things than vilkeith

well at least my group theories early game do have a good hit rate , probably as consistent as you being completely wrong with yours. With your track record you ought to know that you are wrong again this game. Get on BId since you think me and him are the wolf team with daven . What difference does it make to you which order you kill us in ? Killing me first i know that you miss a wolf .

read the last couple of games luco , it no wonder his game has improved he's just parroted what i've said earlier in those games. I even pointed it out in the game threads.

Originally Posted by Keith

read the last couple of games luco , it no wonder his game has improved he's just parroted what i've said earlier in those games. I even pointed it out in the game threads.

oh i thought you were admitting to some den coaching

Originally Posted by Keith

well at least my group theories early game do have a good hit rate , probably as consistent as you being completely wrong with yours. With your track record you ought to know that you are wrong again this game. Get on BId since you think me and him are the wolf team with daven . What difference does it make to you which order you kill us in ? Killing me first i know that you miss a wolf .

i dont think it's you him and daven

daven aint a wolf. it's probably you bid and gator. or could be bid gator and soembody else. or bid somebody else and somebody else. or somebody else somebody else and somebody else

regardless, your death will do nothing but help us

quite the admission there wuf , now you are saying you don't even think i'm a wolf , ergo you are quite happy to lynch a villager . And you wonder why you look suspicious.

Originally Posted by wufwugy

i dont get it

JUst about sums up your approach to WW .

Originally Posted by Keith

quite the admission there wuf , now you are saying you don't even think i'm a wolf , ergo you are quite happy to lynch a villager . And you wonder why you look suspicious.

you must have missed the part where i said i think you're a wolf. you also must have missed the part where you said im usually wrong and i basically agreed.

if you're a wolf all your behavior makes great sense. if you're a villager, you brought this upon yourself and should probably avoid doing so next time

hey keith did you ever consider that it's important for villagers to not repeatedly say idiotic things? did you think that maybe we should let the wolves do that since one of the most important weapons wolves have for getting out of tight spaces is saying idiotic things? did you ever think that maybe if you say a bunch of idiotic things you'd get lynched?

Keith at least you showed up, kudos for that.

Spew more IMO

lol

rescind keith, lynch drew

percentage shot with the bonus of pissing off wuf. whats not to love?

killing bid will hardly piss me off

but it will mean we'll be killing keith tomorrow

What is VC? And where is JKDSJKDS

Sorry guys, unexpected delay in getting back home.

Going to tally votes now.

Final Count

keith - 4 (dhuber, JKDS, baudib, wuf)
bigred - 2 (daven, Gator)
BID - 2 (keith, Luco)
aubrey - 1 ( rong)
Luco - 1 (BID)
JKDS - 1 (aubrey)

Day 3

The village is crammed into the kitchen for dinner, on tonight's menu there is Spam, baked beans and a bottle of gin that dhuber found in his basement.

keith isn't happy though. "My farm's gonna be in ruins by the time we get rid of these bloody wolves". "How much longer is this going to last?"

"As long as it takes" says JKDS in a grim tone.

Keith sighs, and thinks things would be so much easier if they could kill more than one of these morons each night.

Suddenly he realizes he's mixed up thinking and speaking yet again.

The village stares at him.

"I'm going to turn you all into soup" screams keith as he transforms into a furry nightmare.

Luckily the kitchen provides many potential weapons. Through a combo of knives, chairs and a frying pan the wolf is brought down.

Keith, a Wolf, was lynched day 3.

The Village
dhuber
BID
Luco
wuf
bigred
baudib
JKDS
daven
aubrey
Gator
rong


Seer
Priest
Tough Guy
4 Regular Villagers
Miller
Cursed Villager
2 Wolves


MMM, a regular villager, was lynched day 1.
Ong, a regular villager, was killed by the wolves on night 1.
keybored, a regular villager, was lynched day 2.
gabe, a regular villager, was killed by the wolves on night 2.
Keith, a Wolf, was lynched day 3.

Night 3

Everyone with night actions please do them.

Night will last 24hrs.

dhuber is sitting in his study trying to work out if his budget can handle the repairs required after having 15 degenerates crash at his house.

He's also wondering how long the food can last.

Suddenly a brick comes flying through the window narrowly missing his head, a shadowy figure legs it out the garden.

"Goddamit" says dhuber as he sprints out the study and towards the stairs, not noticing the thin wire at ankle height strung across the opening.

SPLAT!

The wolves are getting tricky.

dhuber, a regular villager, was killed by the wolves on night 3.

Day 4

Dawn on day 4.

6 votes to lynch, go go go!

The Village
BID
Luco
wuf
bigred
baudib
JKDS
daven
aubrey
Gator
rong


Seer
Priest
Tough Guy
3 Regular Villagers
Miller
Cursed Villager
2 Wolves


MMM, a regular villager, was lynched day 1.
Ong, a regular villager, was killed by the wolves on night 1.
keybored, a regular villager, was lynched day 2.
gabe, a regular villager, was killed by the wolves on night 2.
Keith, a Wolf, was lynched day 3.
dhuber, a regular villager, was killed by the wolves on night 3.

surprised those dummies didn't give up yet

lynch bid

lynch daven, because it'll make me happier when he flips wolf.

i'm lost. No idea what the wolves were up to with the dhuber nom. Would be nice to have had either the miller or the tough guy nommed, but gg them cos we still have a living angel and seer plus the cursed villager still isn't converted.

gator and wuf look village based on the keith flip

i still don't trust jkds
luco's play has been interesting but meh, my reads have been pretty shit so far this game.

Lynch bid is fine with me

for what little it's worth
i'm happy with lynching any of bid/bigred/jkds today. Aubrey seems to be unaware of what's happening this game but she's probably villager? dunno, time for some maths. If there are three living lookups then it's game over i think.

The Village
BID - pretty nil content. I don't follow jkds' logic about him being on a wolf team with keith, but nothing clears him as a villager either
Luco - again, not much to go on. Interesting that he was online and interested in being involved in a counter-wagon to the keith lynch late in the day but meh. Cursed.
wuf - he pulled up keith on the 'gator = villager who agrees with me' read which was the basis of the keith lynch. I don't think the wolves would play that sort of angle if keith and wuf were wolves together. Villager. Probably seer.
bigred - I still think he's wolf, nothing has changed there.
baudib - ??
JKDS - either wolf or villager playing massively outside his villager-game
daven - villager obv
aubrey - ? probably cursed/villager. I'm basing that heavily on a read that could be incorrect though
Gator - likely villager based on keith's comment about him being a villager
rong - ??

Originally Posted by Keith

several times he's said that he's happy to be wagonned but not to cinch him before he gets a final post , seems like he would then fake out as the seer. He's been hinting at it regularly as well as mentioning the cursed villager

lynch wuf

so im going back over posts and see this. i skipped this post earlier since i only care what keith has to say after i know his role

this means that the wolves think im fake seer and they came up with that all on their own. i gave daven mad cred for calling me seer since that would be idiotic for a wolf to do if he believes it, but this removes that cred. on the contrary, it suggests that daven might have had a secret motive for calling me seer.

i guess the question is this: would daven really do what he did if he's a villager who believes im the seer?

i may be coming to the conclusion that the answer is no. his claim for me being seer is pretty weak and it doesnt make much sense that he would do it as a villager

holy crap if jkds is right and got all 3 of them

daven lockwolf and baud can fucking screw for getting me off him

it just came to me. daven would never call me seer as a villager

Daven sounds defeated, even though we lynched a wolf. Daven doesnt know why dhuber was killed, even though its obvious (hint, they arent cursed hunting). Daven still thinks im a wolf, even though I spearheaded keith.

Its interesting that he's saying keith's post regarding gator means gator is a villager. The post was made after keith was under immense scrutiny. In other words, its completely unreliable. Maybe its keith-daven-gator.

^^yeah something i was going to add: keith's "finally a villager" post about gator says more about keith's pov than it does about gator. if keith and gator are wolves together, keith would still say "finally a villager". it's when he's a villager that he would catch himself since villagers don't assume they know the roles so easily

jkds, why not bid?

Nope. BID was too interested in the game when Keith was getting lynched. WIFOM or whatever, ill consider gator if my theory is wrong.

Originally Posted by JKDS

Nope. BID was too interested in the game when Keith was getting lynched. WIFOM or whatever, ill consider gator if my theory is wrong.

bid was only interested because i was pounding him

keith's switch to bid looked very wolf-wolf

gator is playing like he's cursed anyways, not like he's wolf

BID v Daven is clearly best for today. Daven stated that an outted seer with live look ups is game over, and I dont read any excitement about that from his posts. If im wrong on either, its BID.

3 reg villagers actually makes this harder.

Originally Posted by rong

3 reg villagers actually makes this harder.

huh?

Originally Posted by rong

3 reg villagers actually makes this harder.

Thats the best case actually. Its obv wuf and I are villagers. So with the seer and 3 villagers, thats 6. We cant lose in that scenario. Even if we have only 2 villager reads, we likely get a 3rd look up tonight, and thats still game over. Without actually even playing, which we're rocking at already.

We may even be able to assume wuf's read on aubrey is right. Which makes this even more done.

The real issue is if the seer has wolf look ups, because its possible one is the miller and we have a dead look up.

Well, I got nuthin' right now. Daven certainly looks bad, but almost looks too convenient.

gg DhuberGOAT

GET REKT KEITH

PoE it down, pop bottles.

Originally Posted by wufwugy

daven lockwolf and baud can fucking screw for getting me off him

it just came to me. daven would never call me seer as a villager

as if I got you off him. as if you ever listen to anyone. I said it D2, if Daven is a wolf you have no one to blame but yourself.

that sinking feeling when you're a villager, and realize Wuf is probably a villager too

Originally Posted by baudib

that sinking feeling when you're a villager, and realize Wuf is probably a villager too

that feeling when youse realize youse got wuf off wolfdaven

did a thorough d3 read. daven is absolutely absolutely absolutely a wolf

homey i guess it's testament to the toughness of wolfing in that i was willing to give you cred for calling me seer but to keep that cred you had to follow through by targeting for nom otherwise it means the wolves didnt necessarily believe it

there's about a million other things that make daven lockwolf. i kinda glossed over them for a while, let them sink in i guess

lynch daven

bid is the last. game is over. jkds with mvp

I think it's odder that Daven called you the seer, and then didn't vote with you. How was he so sure you didn't have a Keith - w lookup?

lynch daven

Originally Posted by baudib

I think it's odder that Daven called you the seer, and then didn't vote with you. How was he so sure you didn't have a Keith - w lookup?

lynch daven

yep that's one of the big ones

lynch daven

If it's him or me...

Baudib fence sat a bit on keith d3, but if hes a wolf, It means he introduced "derp clearing" just so he can say Keith doesnt get credit for it. Gotta be villager.