Metropolis, City of the Future! Werewolf

Also, i flipped between Dranger, Dan, and Boog for who i wanted to infect. I convinced myself without reading the thread thoroughly enough that Boog was gonna die soon and that dranger was more likely to be a wolf. So close to infecting the VH!

Traple post

MVP is a flip between Dan and Rilla imo.

I disagree heavily with the cons of Ong's strategy, but props to him for using such a strat that he was an ldo villager that would never get nommed.

Originally Posted by TLR

Lets have some feedback about the new roles

my 2 cents

1. Reanimtor - the role by itself is great, I did not really like the spilt role of villagers who cant vote or talk, I think reanimated should have full villager capabilities, and wolves should be able to lynch them with X% of success. If we keep the idea of reanimated dying when the re-animator is dead then maybe they should be aware of who the reanimator is. I think that in the future we should use the reanimator role in a different mode, reanimator will start with no reanimations and will get 1 for each modkill, this will also offset the unpredicability of the modkills in the game

Agreed! Someway to offset modkills would be crazy awesome.

I loved the Reanimator role, and thought it made the game super interesting.

Im not sure about the infected thing. I didnt like that I had the chance to kill the VH. A better player, and worse VH, would be able to find him i think. It is crazy hard to maintain the same persona after having your role switched, and thats gonna be a dead giveaway.

Also, if the game got to endgame, i honestly thought the infection was too weak. I need to look at the percentages again, but to compensate for the shockwave there needs to be a higher chance of infection. Also since they dont know who each other is, theyre at a disadvantage there as well (imagine if of 1,2,3,4,5 infected 5 ends up lynching infected 3?). Idk, even without the new additional shockwave thing...it still seemed pretty weak.

Congrats to Stacks, Lolz, Hoopy, and Supa ...

fyp

I won't be using that strat again as special, I gotta mix it up or I become too predictable.

Still can't believe boog got done today, I thought the village was flipping, not eight outering.

Originally Posted by JKDS

@wolfs: How badly did you guys shit your pants...when stax, supa, hoopy, and sasquatch were all ppl that had a strong chance of being day 1 lynched? reading through the beginning of the thread...they all get voted super early!

@wuf: plz, learn from this game. PLZ.

@game: lolol, you guys are silly. how you lynch boog?

@dan: Did i get looked up because JKDS? Or because i massively fucked up and acted unintentionally different on day 3 and also posted way to much knowledge of the new roles?

You got looked ip because of all the remaining players you would have been who I would have force infected. I wanted someone who want the obvious choice (rilla), not looking too likely to die and who would be good enough to be able to protect the source if they were being bandwagonned. You fit the bill. I gave up trying to find the source as there was limited information due to only 2 days having past and it was selected randomly.

Originally Posted by DanAronG

I think we proved one theory from all of this. We should never allow the non-participating players to survive. For one they are a nightmare to read later on, two we need to remove it from being a viable wolf strategy due to number one, and three non-active players make the game dull.

that's what I was telling you guys at the beginning!

ROFL

Originally Posted by JKDS

@wuf: plz, learn from this game. PLZ.

Learn what? I have learned a couple things. Overall, what I did with Gator was bad, but there was some value there. The problem was based in other things, however. Like the fact that I posted way too much which encouraged people to not read my thoughts, then this confused me into thinking that I was being railroaded, because never before had my thoughts been that ignored. Just one example


As for the endgame, we all knew lolz was a wolf, but it became impossible to lynch him while BID was playing that way. He played the wolfiest game possible. Most of us had him as ldo villager for a long time, then only switched after he started going crazy at the end. It then opened up the slightest of slight possibilities that lolz wasn't actually a wolf. Then when stax and lolz got thwarted in the BID train by rilla, lolz being the wolf became a lock. The problem was one of communication. Me not being able to speak meant that I had to wait until a couple others provided their input. I should have abandoned this when I finally bolded lolz, but I had no thought in my mind that anybody else would get bolded that day, so I stepped back just to wait until the others gave some input in case I was missing something. I had two small reads on wolves that were right, and two huge ones that were wrong, so I was basically sourcing my vote to TLR and Rilla


Gator, I owe you one. That was bad play. I'd probably do it again because I reeeeeeaally thought you were a wolf, but I'll try not to. I was so mad when you were revealed a villager that I stopped reading the thread, and only started again after being reanimated

It's frustrating for me because I have a strategy that works really well, but it's boring, so I sometimes go off on crazy soulreads, yet most of the time they're still wrong.


Sure the wolves technically won, but they did get figured out, so there's that. Village MVPs are Dana Rilla TLR Ong, Wolf MVP is BID and Wuf; I don't wanna say it, but I do think the village would have won very easily if Gator hadn't died. Obviously, we didn't know there were no wolves in the high content players, but the fact that there weren't made Gator dying really terrible. BTW, I did think that Stax had fantastic defenses, even though everybody was on his case. The only reason I had Stax as a villager at first was because the lynching patterns in one of the earlier days very strongly suggested that he couldn't be a wolf, but as it turns out it was probably just a misplay


Anyways, I'm not going to post nearly as much in future games. I've realized that a lot of people don't read it, and it even causes other problems. I'm also going to lynch the lowest content player each day nonstop.

My 2 cents:

I'm sorry to Boog, I really thought you were a wolf but I was dead wrong. Our qualms from Communities past had a role in me wanting to vote for you and I feel like an idiot for letting emotions play a role in this game.

OB - Boog is Korean? I pictured a normal looking person. Like 27/m/Caucasian living in New York.

Rilla - MVP. When I said that if you are a wolf that you were the best wolf ever, I think what I meant to say was that you played this game excellent, no matter what.



bigred - you did a great job and I thank you for such a wonderful WW game. I can't wait to play the next one.

Everyone else - You can't blame me for the villagers losing. I am only one player amongst two large teams. Have you never played team games before? Next time I will be better though.

As for the new roles

I personally do not care for ones added during a game, like the infected. The reanimator was awesome though. I'm not exactly sure how to do it, but I can say that having just a vote-bot is really damn hard. I was pulling my hair out at spots. I think the fact that a vote-bot cant engage in any conversation means that his vote is basically outsourced. I couldn't find much way to provide valuable input or develop ideas other than just voting alongside with those I figured had the best ideas

Reanimation stuff is really cool though, and needs to happen again

Yeah I wanna know about those angry Rilla PMs.

I really appreciate the modding bigred

I did learn one huge lesson this game... the simplest solution is often the correct one. Lolz stacks and sasquach were the only ones I couldn't provide a villager argument for, once hoopy and supa were confirmed. For that reason I don't think the wolves played great if I'm honest, but they played better than the village as a group, their special hunting was excellent and the noms good in the end, though I did think TLR was questionable with the reanimator role.

Hahaha boog. I can't believe you all lycnhed boog. Drew, I don't know if boog is Korean, it could just be an FTR gag. He's definitely a terrorist though.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

I did learn one huge lesson this game... the simplest solution is often the correct one.

Words to live by in WW; Usually in a WW game there are a few villagers that are convinced that the wolves are pulling a level 10 thinking scheme on them when usually all that the wolves are doing is trying to blend in and not draw too much attention to themselves

Do wanna make the point that I hope gizmo plays in the next game. He appears to be somebody who has a knack for this thing. I wanted to get two bullets so bad though that I had to shoot him if it meant the wolves could point fingers at Ong. Of course, that plan did nothing whatsoever

What do you guys think of a missing angel role? whether it be pure angel or an angel who can't protect himself?

Originally Posted by wufwugy

Do wanna make the point that I hope gizmo plays in the next game. He appears to be somebody who has a knack for this thing. I wanted to get two bullets so bad though that I had to shoot him if it meant the wolves could point fingers at Ong. Of course, that plan did nothing whatsoever

If I was vig, I'd have shot lolz for the flomo comment. Sigh.

Originally Posted by bigred

What do you guys think of a missing angel role? whether it be pure angel or an angel who can't protect himself?

I like the idea of having different roles each game tbh, keep it fresh. Sometimes we have classic format, sometimes we mix it up with reanimator, angel can't protect, maybe even an uber-special angelseer. The same format over and over gets tiring, but mixing it up keeps it interesting. That's why I liked the infection being thrown in, just totally wasn't expecting anything like that. I thought it was brilliant, I hope you have more crazy ideas in the future!

Boog is physically in Korea, he's not Korean. He's some funny shade of black. I can't remember his irl name but it is amusing somehow.

I will now racist ban myself.

Also, angel is 1 piece of an overpowered punch. Games where the angel just needs to hide while the seer acts as a nexus of information for the village is godmode for the village.

So any time we can move away from the angel role is a good thing. I really think the re-animator role was very well balanced. I'm just glad I didn't get it.

Originally Posted by TLR

Words to live by in WW; Usually in a WW game there are a few villagers that are convinced that the wolves are pulling a level 10 thinking scheme on them when usually all that the wolves are doing is trying to blend in and not draw too much attention to themselves

I did better when I couldn't speak, I think, but I'm not sure by how much

After being reanimated I spent some serious effort into scouring the thread trying to find the final three wolves. I came up with the lock for dranger, lolz, and sasquach, based in how votes went down previously. But I was still wrong and the two main sequences I based my ideas on were screw ups by the wolves that I thought they wouldn't make. Basically, I thought Stax couldn't be a wolf because when the only wagons going were supa and hoopy, one of them jumped onto stax, which to me would not have been something the wolves would try to do there (but I was wrong), then later a few of them, including stax, railroaded supa then supa outed. I also thought this was bad, so I thought it demonstrated why stax wasn't a wolf

So basically my point is that when I post a lot, I get stuff wrong, and when I scour the thread looking for the right clues, I still get it wrong. Regardless, I don't think I'm going to play another game the way I did this one

Originally Posted by bigred

What do you guys think of a missing angel role? whether it be pure angel or an angel who can't protect himself?

Ive always hated the angel role.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

If I was vig, I'd have shot lolz for the flomo comment. Sigh.

I really don't know how to read those sorta things. Lolz does weird stuff like that. What gave him away to me later was the blatant modkill dodge

BTW you played special great. Half the battle as a special is to keep the wolves from killing you

Personally, the role I don't like is the seer.

Instead of an angel, we could do something like my sorcerer idea, where he gets ensnares each night where if the wolves attack who he picks, a wolf dies along with that villager, and he can't ever pick himself. Or an angel with only a certain number of saves, or a player who survives for a full day after he's killed

You kind of need a seer though. Without any true or hard evidence, the village tends to really tear apart at the seems.

One issue I had with some players is that they get an idea and then refuse to let it go, in spite of the fact that other people disagree or come up with alternative theories. Nobody can talk them out of an idea once they have it, they just adjust their theory to take into account the new info and keep the same outcome, adding wolves to it from the pool of any players that disagree with you.

Theories are good, but just because you have a theory doesn't mean it's right or that the village should do exactly as you want just to test your theory.

People can have a tendency to try and bulldoze the village with a mass of text until they get what they want. Surely the idea is to come up with a collective idea from the village based on everyone's input. If the village seem to disagree with you at a given point, it's OK to follow another's theory for a while and see how that pans out and then adjust your theory as necessary and maybe push for it again the next day.

I don't know where I'm going with this.

Originally Posted by wufwugy

Instead of an angel, we could do something like my sorcerer idea, where he gets ensnares each night where if the wolves attack who he picks, a wolf dies along with that villager, and he can't ever pick himself. Or an angel with only a certain number of saves, or a player who survives for a full day after he's killed

Thats like a super suicide bomber!

Originally Posted by DanAronG

One issue I had with some players is that they get an idea and then refuse to let it go, in spite of the fact that other people disagree or come up with alternative theories. Nobody can talk them out of an idea once they have it, they just adjust their theory to take into account the new info and keep the same outcome, adding wolves to it from the pool of any players that disagree with you.

Theories are good, but just because you have a theory doesn't mean it's right or that the village should do exactly as you want just to test your theory.

People can have a tendency to try and bulldoze the village with a mass of text until they get what they want. Surely the idea is to come up with a collective idea from the village based on everyone's input. If the village seem to disagree with you at a given point, it's OK to follow another's theory for a while and see how that pans out and then adjust your theory as necessary and maybe push for it again the next day.

I don't know where I'm going with this.

I can't help but agree.

Originally Posted by DanAronG

One issue I had with some players is that they get an idea and then refuse to let it go, in spite of the fact that other people disagree or come up with alternative theories. Nobody can talk them out of an idea once they have it, they just adjust their theory to take into account the new info and keep the same outcome, adding wolves to it from the pool of any players that disagree with you.

Theories are good, but just because you have a theory doesn't mean it's right or that the village should do exactly as you want just to test your theory.

People can have a tendency to try and bulldoze the village with a mass of text until they get what they want. Surely the idea is to come up with a collective idea from the village based on everyone's input. If the village seem to disagree with you at a given point, it's OK to follow another's theory for a while and see how that pans out and then adjust your theory as necessary and maybe push for it again the next day.

I don't know where I'm going with this.

For me, I thought it was game over. I really did think I was right, and if I was, it meant we wouldn't have another chance to win. That's why I didn't back off. I've never done that before either

Also every time I get nearly lynched I just go into beastmode. Not sure why

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

You kind of need a seer though. Without any true or hard evidence, the village tends to really tear apart at the seems.

Well, you're probably right because you usually are, but I'd say we shouldn't ever do seer + angel. It gets pretty silly when it all boils down to getting the right number of lookups

Originally Posted by JKDS

Thats like a super suicide bomber!

We could only give him one successful ensnare. Or two. Would be a different kind of vig where instead of shooting players, you try to find who the wolves will target and get them killed that way

I wasn't just referring to you wuf.

Also like the idea of attempting to predict and some how counter or take advantage of wolf noms. Also maybe a counter seer on the wolf team where they try to predict seer lookups and somehow benefit.

What would be cool...is if the wolves could choose someone to be looked up wrong. Either a wolf or a villager. I think thats overpowered though. Yet...still cool!

@Occum's Razor: Yes of course!

@Compromising and working together: Yes of course!

Those were both things i learned from previous games...and the hardest to learn was the simplest of em all. Being accused of being a wolf...doesnt make your accuser a wolf. Gotta step back and see if it makes sense!

Ong and Wuf showed me a strat of playing wolfy in order to not be nommed. Im not sure i like it, but its always interesting to see the game from other perspectives. Im not convinced its the best, given the confusion the strats caused and seeing other ppl play simpler and make it to end game (like boog/dranger, both who are experienced players and good wolves). But still, i might try something similar later thats much more toned down

Originally Posted by wufwugy

Do wanna make the point that I hope gizmo plays in the next game. He appears to be somebody who has a knack for this thing. I wanted to get two bullets so bad though that I had to shoot him if it meant the wolves could point fingers at Ong. Of course, that plan did nothing whatsoever

Thanks for the compliment! I had fun, I'd definitely play again.

Dependable Dude Drew

^^^^^lollllllllllllll

Almost forgot, I made these after Gator died

Originally Posted by Rilla

I suggested Warpe could be subbed out for fulksy since fulksy got left off the list and Warpe would never have posted. bigred liked the idea and ran it by the wolves who consulted this chart:

Is Warpe one of us?

No? "We don't like the idea."
Yes? "We love it."

They said no, another village mislynched tied up in a modkill.

I don't ever remember being consulted about this. Did you ask us about this Bigred? I personally wouldn't have had a problem with it.

Lol wuf

I <3 wuf again

wow i'm almost in tears from laughing so hard i kid u not

Originally Posted by wufwugy

Almost forgot, I made these after Gator died

This one makes me lol every time I open the thread again.

This one's gold:


I already wanna play another werewolf. Gold!

I'm always willing to mod. I just want people to participate and I don't think that would happen without a decent break in between. Willing to have other people also mod as well.

Originally Posted by JKDS

I <3 wuf again

again?

I'll try modding, if it pleases the court.

...

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

I'll try modding, if it pleases the court.

Just saw the congrats thread. Pissed I didn't get an award. But I got a gold star midgame so I guess it's cool, even though it didn't come with a rep.