Duck Lake Farm -- GAME THREAD

[BankItDrew]

I'm loving this lilrascal guy. He's fantastic!

rescind
lynch jkds

[JKDS]

Changing a very early D1 vote (that I took as a joke vote) is not role-indicative.

You still dont get it. MMM was inspired to remove the vote, joke or not, because Wuf did something consistent with Wolf-Wuf. That does not make sense, and you cannot argue that it does.

However, what you are doing is pushing (or fabricating as I called it) a case based on someone changing an early vote and appear to be locked in on that and not looking at the rest of the game.

Where was the fabrication? Real information is only gained through controversy. I did not lie about meta. I did not misconstrue anything MMM said. I did take into account other things he said in response to the argument. There is no fabrication, only an argument that you disagree with. Such things happen all the time, and has no bearing on anyone's role, much less mine.

[lilrascal]

You still dont get it. MMM was inspired to remove the vote, joke or not, because Wuf did something consistent with Wolf-Wuf. That does not make sense, and you cannot argue that it does.



Where was the fabrication? Real information is only gained through controversy. I did not lie about meta. I did not misconstrue anything MMM said. I did take into account other things he said in response to the argument. There is no fabrication, only an argument that you disagree with. Such things happen all the time, and has no bearing on anyone's role, much less mine.

What I don't get is you still holding to this read. Almost everyone else is finding Wuf likely villa, or at least not wolfy. MMM changing his vote off of someone that is likely villa is a good thing.

To be clear. I didn't say you lied about meta. I have said repeatedly that meta can be abused and I don't have meta for the players here. Even if I did, I rely mostly on the individual game rather than meta.

What is your read on Wuf?

[JKDS]

What I don't get is you still holding to this read. Almost everyone else is finding Wuf likely villa, or at least not wolfy. MMM changing his vote off of someone that is likely villa is a good thing.

Are you suggesting MMM is clairvoyant? Wuf doing things in the future that show he is likely villa has no bearing on what MMM did in the past.

To be clear. I didn't say you lied about meta. I have said repeatedly that meta can be abused and I don't have meta for the players here. Even if I did, I rely mostly on the individual game rather than meta.

What is your read on Wuf?

I have never read wuf as a wolf this game, and have stated that I think hes a villager. I dont know why you think otherwise.

[lilrascal]

Are you suggesting MMM is clairvoyant? Wuf doing things in the future that show he is likely villa has no bearing on what MMM did in the past.


I have never read wuf as a wolf this game, and have stated that I think hes a villager. I dont know why you think otherwise.

Regarding your first paragraph: No, I never said or suggested such a thing, but MMM didn't change his vote until well after Wuf came in and sounded villagery.

Regarding your second paragraph: I wasn't sure where you stood with regards to Wuf, which is why I asked. Now that I know, why are you still hung up on MMM when you agree with his read?

[JKDS]

Regarding your first paragraph: No, I never said or suggested such a thing, but MMM didn't change his vote until well after Wuf came in and sounded villagery.

Regarding your second paragraph: I wasn't sure where you stood with regards to Wuf, which is why I asked. Now that I know, why are you still hung up on MMM when you agree with his read?

Ok. So we're stuck on time-frame.

MMM policy votes Wuf
Wuf posts a gif
MMM suggests moving his vote off wuf in response


This is the only time frame that matters to my argument. MMM wanted to move his vote after seeing wuf post a gif. He wanted to move his vote, even though Wuf responded this exact same way last game, as a wolf. A game that MMM participated in, and presumptively had knowledge of.

[JKDS]

Also, you say I'm 'hung up on him'. Thats not the case. I dont believe he is wolfy at this point in the game, but nor do I think he is villagery. The only reason I am talking about this past case at all is because you believe its wolfy and I'm at L-1.

[lilrascal]

Actually, I think we're stuck on content. Posting a gif is not role-indicative and MMM stating that he may move his vote, but doesn't yet is OK IMO to see how Wuf responds. Wuf responded OK, but I don't think you did.

If posting a gif is a meta read, then I may do a rand.org result from now on to see whether I post a gif.

[BooG690]

Rascal, a lot of your posts are based off tone. X sounds villagery and Y sounds wolfy. There's no substance in anything you're posting. You say you like to use current posts or evidence (instead of meta) yet you don't do it yourself.

I agree with a lot of JKDS' reasoning. That said, I feel it echoes a lot of what I pointed out. I get afraid when I read echoes.

I'm at a point where I don't know where the fuck to vote.

[Luco]

Rascal, a lot of your posts are based off tone. X sounds villagery and Y sounds wolfy. There's no substance in anything you're posting. You say you like to use current posts or evidence (instead of meta) yet you don't do it yourself.

I agree with a lot of JKDS' reasoning. That said, I feel it echoes a lot of what I pointed out. I get afraid when I read echoes.

I'm at a point where I don't know where the fuck to vote.

Yeah it's an odd spot. It's easy for me because I just have to vote in self preservation, but I don't envy the rest of you

I don't agree with jkds's reasoning re mojo, but I'm not really finding him or anyone that wolfy so far.

[JKDS]

We will never see eye-to-eye.

Im a rottweiler, and a full angel.

This is a format that is likely the typical 9 man game from Mafiascum. Meaning the wolves either have a roleblocking role, or a role finding role. We are 50% likely to have another special, and there are exactly 2 wolves.

My case on luco is nonexistant. Im sheeping gabe, because I cant read luco well. I can read gabe, boog, and wuf well and I think all three are villagers. Rascal is likely a villager, mmm is maybe a villager. MMM can usually establish himself as an obv villager, yet so far I havent seen it. Thats concerning. DO NOT blindly give BID villager credit. His activity is not role-indicative, as MMM should remember from the game he modded with the private chats. BID's posts, however, seem wolfy for him. Idk about Rong, I cant read him either. Seems villagery.

[Luco]

You still dont get it. MMM was inspired to remove the vote, joke or not, because Wuf did something consistent with Wolf-Wuf. That does not make sense, and you cannot argue that it does.

I think the gif just made mojo smile, I'm not seeing anything more sinister than that

[Luco]

We will never see eye-to-eye.

Im a rottweiler, and a full angel.

This is a format that is likely the typical 9 man game from Mafiascum. Meaning the wolves either have a roleblocking role, or a role finding role. We are 50% likely to have another special, and there are exactly 2 wolves.

My case on luco is nonexistant. Im sheeping gabe, because I cant read luco well. I can read gabe, boog, and wuf well and I think all three are villagers. Rascal is likely a villager, mmm is maybe a villager. MMM can usually establish himself as an obv villager, yet so far I havent seen it. Thats concerning. DO NOT blindly give BID villager credit. His activity is not role-indicative, as MMM should remember from the game he modded with the private chats. BID's posts, however, seem wolfy for him. Idk about Rong, I cant read him either. Seems villagery.

With no counterclaim that means we are 0/2 on the leading wagons.

rescind jkds

[JKDS]

I think the gif just made mojo smile, I'm not seeing anything more sinister than that

I think mojo is taking an approach to this game that isnt serious, and I think he is being careless. His emotional posts seem genuine, but I am still not seeing obv-villager mojo. Thats a bad sign, since hes so easy to read usually. He isnt a good lynch today, and will hopefully establish that obv-villagerness by tomorrow.

[lilrascal]

Rascal, a lot of your posts are based off tone. X sounds villagery and Y sounds wolfy. There's no substance in anything you're posting. You say you like to use current posts or evidence (instead of meta) yet you don't do it yourself.

I agree with a lot of JKDS' reasoning. That said, I feel it echoes a lot of what I pointed out. I get afraid when I read echoes.

I'm at a point where I don't know where the fuck to vote.

There's a difference between tone and meta. Meta can be abused, but tone is hard to fake. The biggest difference is that tone is based on what's going on in this game, whereas meta is based on other games and is constantly evolving as people change.

As I said before, I'm on my tablet at work and doing a MQ of my previous points isn't really possible right now, but go back and look at earlier posts and you'll see that almost all are quoting something in the thread that I either thought was a good point or had inconsistencies or wasn't supported by what's been posted.

With regard to who you vote for? I've laid out my thoughts here and I may be wrong, but at least it'ls information for people to go on.

Please post your thoughts and why you're voting whichever way you go. That's the best way to help the village.

[Luco]

deadline in 25 minutes.

jkds I gotta say I'm not convinced gabe is villa. he's within his wolf range so far.

[Luco]

don't vote for an outed angel with no counterclaim.

I'm vanilla.

[lilrascal]

We will never see eye-to-eye.

Im a rottweiler, and a full angel.

This is a format that is likely the typical 9 man game from Mafiascum. Meaning the wolves either have a roleblocking role, or a role finding role. We are 50% likely to have another special, and there are exactly 2 wolves.

My case on luco is nonexistant. Im sheeping gabe, because I cant read luco well. I can read gabe, boog, and wuf well and I think all three are villagers. Rascal is likely a villager, mmm is maybe a villager. MMM can usually establish himself as an obv villager, yet so far I havent seen it. Thats concerning. DO NOT blindly give BID villager credit. His activity is not role-indicative, as MMM should remember from the game he modded with the private chats. BID's posts, however, seem wolfy for him. Idk about Rong, I cant read him either. Seems villagery.

rescind

[Luco]

lynch gabe

[JKDS]

deadline in 25 minutes.

jkds I gotta say I'm not convinced gabe is villa. he's within his wolf range so far.

Im not convinced on him either, of wuf/boog/gabe, im least sure of gabe. But are you sure you're not just a little biased since he voted for you?

[JKDS]

I'd love to lynch drew, honestly. But too many have blinders on with him just because hes a little active.

[Luco]

I think I'm a goner.

jkds, rascal, wuf, mojo, prolly boog all likely v

leaves rong gabe drew

[Luco]

Im not convinced on him either, of wuf/boog/gabe, im least sure of gabe. But are you sure you're not just a little biased since he voted for you?

well my initial reaction was actually to give him a v lean for it, but it might be clouding my judgement.

[rong]

Wow. Really. Wow.

This is great.

luco I guess.

I could prob follow jkds's nose and go bid though.

[lilrascal]

I hate these lat CFD's when I'm not on my computer. If you have a case on someone, please provide quotes.

[Luco]

I'd love to lynch drew, honestly. But too many have blinders on with him just because hes a little active.

I'll do it.

[lilrascal]

I have Luco, Boog and Gabe as my bottom three prior to JKDS claim. I'd be fine with a counter wagon of Boog or Gabe to the Luco main wagon.

[JKDS]

lynch BID

[rong]

Of its Luco or bid I don't think I mind which.

[lilrascal]

What's the current VC?

[rong]

Luco kinda made my ears prick up originally though. He seemed so nonchalant about being lynched though. I'd feel better lynching Luco if it was day 2 as I believe a wolf Luco could possibly try to avoid lynch by acting like he didn't care where as a village Luco I'd expect to put up a fight. But it's easy to not care as a village on day one as you're not yet pot committed.

[Luco]

I think I'm on -1

gabe and bid on 1 each

jkds still got a couple?

[rong]

But then... I think I believe jkds. Of he's a wolf he's prob try to so more damage to the village than by taking out jkds.

So rescind lynch bid

[rong]

I really wanna edit that. I meant bid at the bottom.

[Luco]

alright

rescind lynch bid

[lilrascal]

BID even though I mentioned Gabe or Boog, I have BID in my neutral pile as well. I don't want to go Gabe since Luco is suggesting it.

[rong]

And if jkds is a wolf, Luco very likely his partner.

[lilrascal]

lynch bid to get the format right for this site.

[JKDS]

I have this

BID (3) JKDS, Rong, Luco
Luco (1) - gabe
JKDS (2) - wuf BID
BooG (1) – MMM

[duck]

I'm sorry I don't know the VC

[rong]

Duck, stop smoking.

[Luco]

duck's not here, man

[Luco]

BID even though I mentioned Gabe or Boog, I have BID in my neutral pile as well. I don't want to go Gabe since Luco is suggesting it.

you know that thing about the colours, I said it with love

[JKDS]

Maybe luco is a villager. I kind of like his tone lately.

[rong]

Well that's that. Show us your teeth drew.

[duck]

Voting closed, you may continue to talk while I tot up votes.

[Luco]

Voting closed, you may continue to talk while I tot up votes.

Take your time

[Luco]

Maybe luco is a villager. I kind of like his tone lately.

I was just thinking the same thing about rong

[Luco]

Rascal, a lot of your posts are based off tone. X sounds villagery and Y sounds wolfy. There's no substance in anything you're posting. You say you like to use current posts or evidence (instead of meta) yet you don't do it yourself.

I agree with a lot of JKDS' reasoning. That said, I feel it echoes a lot of what I pointed out. I get afraid when I read echoes.

I'm at a point where I don't know where the fuck to vote.

boog, where did you go?

[duck]

DAY ONE VOTES

4 - drew - jkds, rong, luco, lilrascal

jkds - (wuf, drew)
luco - (gabe)
boog - (mojo)

not voting - boog

drew has been lynched!

The thread is now closed, please do not talk until daybreak. Flip is incoming...

[duck]

CHINESE FIRE DRILL!!!!!

And so, after a day of drinking and bitching, the silly animals pick a name at random, and throw him on the fire.

The poor little dung beetle. He popped as soon as he touched the flame.

Hello, drew

You are a dung beetle! You are a one shot seer. You are aligned to the friendlies.



You are the ultimate unsung hero. You're not a very glamorous little chap, but what would the world be like without you? There would be a whole lot more shit, that's for sure. You're more important than they give you credit for. You should be shown more respect dammit.

You have a special ability that could come in very useful. You can tell what other animals have been eating based on the flavour and texture of their shit. You're a clever little beetle. On a night of your choice, you may feed on the dung of another player, and you will discover if they have eaten the flesh of a recently deceased friend.

You win when all the nasties are dead.

Oh deary me...

The recently deceased...

drew - dung beetle (one shot seer)

The living...

gabe
mojo
boog
jkds
wuf
lilrascal
luco
rong

It is night 1... d2 will begin Tuesday 8pm UK (3pm EDT).

Thread is closed, please no talking.

[duck]

Note - I will accept votes such as #249 and #261 so long as the intent to vote is clear. In both of these cases, it was clear.

[duck]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......

[duck]

All the animals had a good night's sleep. The loss of the dung beetle was already a distant memory. Who needs hard proof anyway? We'll make do with wild paranoia and random finger pointing. Who has fingers? Paw pointing. Beak pointing. Severed tail pointing.

Wait, what? Whose is that severed tail? Has everyone got their tail? Oh wait, where's the rottweiler guy who said he'd protect us?

And at that, a cold mist suddenly fell on the lake. The distant howl of a wolf. A crow flies by. As the mist lifts, the bloodied tailless body of the rottweiler was found floating on the lake.

Hello, jkds

You are a rottweiler! You are an angel. You are aligned to the friendlies.



People think you're so fierce, but they know nothing about you! You're as soft as shite! You like rolling around in cat shit, barking at bats, and curry. You don't like being hosed down, helicopters, and intruders.

You are a guard dog. You may select a target at night, and you will guard them from attack.

You may not self protect.

You win when all the nasties are dead.

"That's bad, right?", said the lemming.

"Didn't you jump off a cliff, lemming?", enquired the crow.

"Mind your own fucking business," snapped the lemming.

Well, I suppose it's time to blame each other for the loss of the dung beetle and rottweiler.

The recently deceased...

drew - dung beetle (one shot seer)
jkds - rottweiler (angel)

The living...

gabe
mojo
boog
wuf
lilrascal
luco
rong

It's day two! Deadline is approx 72 hrs, with 7 alive it's 4 to lynch.

Yep, FOUR TO LYNCH.

Go!

[rong]

That was so bad.

I blame jkds somewhat. He should have defended better and he shouldn't have outed so late. It left us with very little time to make a new choice.

That said bid was an awful, awful choice. So late in the day that he couldn't defend himself. We should have lynched mmm for no reason other than there was some level of suspicion pointed his way and he'd already reached L-1 without outing as a special.

[rong]

Luco or boog are my initial preferences.

[Luco]

It was me and jkds yesterday. The wolves didn't have a dog in that fight, so they may not have been very involved towards the end.

[BooG690]

That said bid was an awful, awful choice. So late in the day that he couldn't defend himself. We should have lynched mmm for no reason other than there was some level of suspicion pointed his way and he'd already reached L-1 without outing as a special.

Orly?

Of its Luco or bid I don't think I mind which.

I could prob follow jkds's nose and go bid though.

Well that's that. Show us your teeth drew.

It's extremely wolfy of you to make it seem like you had something against the BID lynch. Funny how, after the fact, you're against it.

Luco or boog are my initial preferences.

Go on. If you're going to say something like that, you must have some rationale, eh? Wolfy of you to throw my name out there. I'm sure you'll have the no-voting angle going, too, huh?

[BooG690]

We should have lynched mmm for no reason other than there was some level of suspicion pointed his way and he'd already reached L-1 without outing as a special.

What about an MMM lynch yesterday would have been different than the BID lynch? How can you be so omniscient all of a sudden? Why no MMM suspicion today?

[rong]

Boog, stop twisting shit. In nit somehow implying that the rest of you are responsible for the disaster of day one. I'm saying we, as a village, played it terribly from the moment jkds outed. And we did.

And you're clearly quite sharp, so the second post must be you being deliberately dense.

[rong]

In nit = I'm not.

[BooG690]

Boog, stop twisting shit. In nit somehow implying that the rest of you are responsible for the disaster of day one. I'm saying we, as a village, played it terribly from the moment jkds outed. And we did.

I wasn't. You made a post where hindsight is obviously 20/20. Your post was useless in everything except making it seem as if you had a better idea.

And you're clearly quite sharp, so the second post must be you being deliberately dense.

Let's pretend for a second I'm dense, then. Please explain how MMM would have been the better lynch knowing what was known at the time.

Also, you still haven't explained your desire to lynch me.

[rong]

Actually, I'm going to answer your question on the second post, the difference is mmm was very nearly lynched and didn't claim special, so he was a safe lynch compared to someone who hadn't received any pressure. I thought I made that clear. In fact I'm still sure I did.

[rong]

I wasn't. You made a post where hindsight is obviously 20/20. Your post was useless in everything except making it seem as if you had a better idea.

Oh, I'm sorry, you were just saying my post was useless. It didn't sound like it. In fact it sounded very much like you were using my post to make a case for me being a wolf.

Let's take a look at it:

Orly?


It's extremely wolfy of you to make it seem like you had something against the BID lynch. Funny how, after the fact, you're against it.

So what you were stating is that I was somehow saying I was against the BID lynch (which I never said in the post), and I was saying this in spite of the fact that I was online and posting right up until the end, yet somehow I'm saying that it wasn't me and I was against it/had a better idea?

Seems to me you've just made that stuff up to make some kind of crappy case. You've got awful defensive all of a sudden.

[rong]

And as for mt desire to lynch you, the case for you has been spelled out loud and clear and chewed over by several players. I'm not going to break it down for you again.

[BooG690]

And as for mt desire to lynch you, the case for you has been spelled out loud and clear and chewed over by several players. I'm not going to break it down for you again.

Wait, you're still going with the whole inconsistency thing? A lot of players, including JKDS and BID, expressed that lynching me would lead to a mislynch. That argument was trash and "chewed over by several players." I won't break the debunking of that argument down for you.

Oh, I'm sorry, you were just saying my post was useless. It didn't sound like it. In fact it sounded very much like you were using my post to make a case for me being a wolf.

Would you classify your post as useful? If so, how was it useful? I'm sure you can understand how your hindsight post is utterly useless. It does nothing for the village and only puts you on a higher pedestal than the rest.

So what you were stating is that I was somehow saying I was against the BID lynch (which I never said in the post), and I was saying this in spite of the fact that I was online and posting right up until the end, yet somehow I'm saying that it wasn't me and I was against it/had a better idea?

Reading your post, yeah, that's what it sounds like.

You've got awful defensive all of a sudden.

I haven't defended myself against your desire to lynch me. I DID defend myself to rascal regarding how I started the game. I just find it wolfy when people point a finger with no explanation.

[Luco]

I'm gonna give you both a little v point for that little fracas

[gabe]

That was so bad.

I blame jkds somewhat. He should have defended better and he shouldn't have outed so late. It left us with very little time to make a new choice.

That said bid was an awful, awful choice. So late in the day that he couldn't defend himself. We should have lynched mmm for no reason other than there was some level of suspicion pointed his way and he'd already reached L-1 without outing as a special.

agree with all of this. BID of all people being the choice there also sucks because we don't get much information on wagon stuff

also the day ended at a really strange time. i shouldve been more aware of the closing time so this shit wouldnt happen

out of the remaining players, i see boog and wuf on the villy side. in retrospect i feel like whenever i agree with wuf its because hes a wolf. boog is not cleared, i just thought the evidence (twtbaw) seemed to apply perfectly to that spot. boog has kinda the same thing going on in day 2... hes saying stuff that doesnt line up, but in a way id be surprised if he was a wolf

MMM/luco/rong are all on the same level to me right now. i think rascal is different because eventually i'm going to figure him out so im not worried about him now

[gabe]

luco had some pressure on him yet he wasnt forced to do anything. its pretty bad for villager meta to let this slide... wolves can abuse it too much

after the recent posts i give rong a village lean. immediately starting the day by blaming the dead angel is far from wolfy

[wufwugy]

we're lucky jkds was nommed. this would have been such a disaster if he wasnt. im very surprised his role exists in this game. there are a million ways that could have gone bad. i was expecting him to not be nommed and us having to figure out if we think he's fake, yet we actually couldnt do that well given mechanics.

the bid lynch was bad tactically (never lynch an unvetted player), but honestly as i was reading the thread after i got back eod i thought he was a very likely wolf candidate. i probably would have voted him too.

[wufwugy]

just as an aside, id like to say that i think outing to save your ass from lynch is almost always a bad idea. maybe im biased since i view most outs as fakes

[Luco]

luco had some pressure on him yet he wasnt forced to do anything. its pretty bad for villager meta to let this slide... wolves can abuse it too much

after the recent posts i give rong a village lean. immediately starting the day by blaming the dead angel is far from wolfy

I don't understand that first sentence.

[rong]

Luco, as I said yesterday, you didn't seem to care that you were nearly lynched. You did very little to defend yourself and didn't do much to find an alternative. Yet you didn't get lynched. That's what gabe means.

[Luco]

I understand that bit rong, what I don't understand it what he thought he could force me to do

[Luco]

*is what