The Church of St. Werewolf Gameplay

Originally Posted by Shotglass

Guess I'll continue hatin.
lynch bigred

I like you more and more with every post!!!

Originally Posted by GatorJH

I am sure he will still make that soul read, even though he has vowed to not start a bandwagon on me after his epic failure the last game I was in.

Also, I am still not sure a no-lynch on day one was bad for the village. My guess is that we would have migrated to someone who wasn't very active yet I think with the small field that would be an epic mistake for the wolves to try and lay TOO low.

close but not quite

the wolves are rilla and rong

theyre the two making the biggest discrepancies in their normal logic

As insanely stupid as it was for us to not lynch last night, i think that it's pretty obvious that at least one wolf will be on the list of no lynch votes last night.
rescind bigred
lynch rilla

Not lynching yesterday was correct, the village wants to avoid wrong lynches as much as possible. Obviously the odds were against us yesterday with everything being random and most info from day 1 is never that helpful.

2 points
BooG has 1 post
Gizmo kill is fair enough, everyone in this line up has played before and is decent or better at the game. Maybe the order of the raffle had an effect?

JKDS, can I have a rule clarified please? What if come the end of 72 hours the vote leader has 5 votes? Does this mean majority vote holder gets lynched or are we looking at a no lynch?

Originally Posted by Hoopy

Not lynching yesterday was correct, the village wants to avoid wrong lynches as much as possible. Obviously the odds were against us yesterday with everything being random and most info from day 1 is never that helpful

So what do you suggest...we sit here and continue not lynching? Imo that's a bad move. The way that we get info is from players' voting and by their reactions to applied pressure
Sure, hoops, let's not apply any pressure to anyone, not ask for votes other than an abstain and hand the game to the baddies.
You're next on my list.

Originally Posted by Shotglass

So what do you suggest...we sit here and continue not lynching? Imo that's a bad move. The way that we get info is from players' voting and by their reactions to applied pressure
Sure, hoops, let's not apply any pressure to anyone, not ask for votes other than an abstain and hand the game to the baddies.
You're next on my list.

I'm not suggesting we do another no lynch this game, but on the first day it was a good play compared to a random lynch which very likely results in a dead villager. We need to avoid bad lynches.

JV, rilla, Gator thoughts?

Originally Posted by OngBonga

JKDS, can I have a rule clarified please? What if come the end of 72 hours the vote leader has 5 votes? Does this mean majority vote holder gets lynched or are we looking at a no lynch?

Ghost JKDS Says: In the case of no majority, plurality will win. In the case of a tie, the first wagon to plurality will win.

I can't believe I am saying this, but I agree with Hoopy. I would definitely NOT be in favor of any more no-lynches for a while (end game may be different), but not lynching anyone yesterday gives the village one more vote needed to lynch today which makes in just a tad harder for the wolves to bandwagon.

Btw Shotglass I am not so sure there were wolves on the no-lynch bandwagon yesterday unless one of them was getting a bit of heat or one of them is a new/inexperienced player who would have been targeted yesterday. If the wolves are experienced players they would have felt safe enough to go with a lynch that would have helped them with numbers and possibly could have hit a special role.

Thanks JK. Ok so we don't need to worry about getting half the village vote, so long as people aren't voting to not lynch.

Lynching a villager yesterday would be better than sacrificing our lynch and allowing the wolves to make the first move. We can see who wanted to lynch the now confirmed villager, and who helped to move the lynch away from other targets. How bad is it for the village when it starts with a wolf nom? The only difference is we got to see who would prefer the game to start with a wolf nom vs a lynch.

I can accept that people didn't really know what was best at the time, because I was on the fence about it. But it has become pretty obvious to me today that it would've been better to lynch a villager, because now we'd be looking at the wagon instead of picking a different random target. We don't have a great deal of info to work with here guys, so it's just like day one, minus gizmo.

I'm surprised gator hasn't accepted he might have been wrong to vote no lynch. He's correct in that we would've defaulted towards the least active, but that's probably what we do today, isn't it?

Not me. I wanna lynch one of gator, rilla or hoopy. Gonna wait for rilla to post before I decide which.

Only wuf had the foresight to see that no lynching was bad. That doesn't clear him, could be wolf strat, but he's certainly in my villager camp right now, along with shotglass.

Not liking Gator's logic at all. There are only two wolves, they won't have any bandwagon power till the end

Not lynching on day one makes it substantially easier for the wolves to skate by and win. What if Boog's a wolf? We already missed a very important "kill the person doing the least" day

I'm a little flustered on what to talk about because I think a lot of what the village should talk about is who has what powers, yet that helps the wolves. I may throw caution to the wind and give opinions on this later because this game will kinda suck if that whole discussion is just an elephant in the room

I'm not too big of a fan of the nolynch yesterday, lynching is our only way to win. I don't have any particular decent wolf target atm, but i do notice Boog has a wolfy stare atm, so

lynch boog

We'd still have nothing to go off had we lynched a villager, its too easy for just two wolves to hide no matter how the voting pans out, which would most likely have been a toss up between 2 random villagers as there's normally more than one suggestion for the day, so picking through that carcass is pointless anyway. However I agree there's little to go on now.

As for first impression wolfyness, and with nothing to back this up whatsoever, I'm suspicious of ong and shotty. Just something about the tone of their posts. But I'm not particularly keen to lynch either of them atm.

Do we default to non-contributors? Hopefully that's not me.

lynch dan

rilla is the other wolf.

I think we should talk about powers, not exactly who has what but which ones are people more likely to pick. One thing I'm not sure on is if both powers can be active for a given prize or only one (i.e. can someone have Army vet and another person have Backup)?

Powers that are almost definitely in play are Army Vet, Cop, 1 Shot Vig, Couch Surfer, Jailer and Paranoid gun owner imo.

Ghost JKDS Says: No. Only 1 power per prize can be in the game at this point in time.

I think talking about powers satisfies villager curiosity and helps the wolves strategically. -ev.

I'm pretty sold on my soulread right now, but if I'm wrong then hoopy and gator are back on radar.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Thanks JK. Ok so we don't need to worry about getting half the village vote, so long as people aren't voting to not lynch.

Lynching a villager yesterday would be better than sacrificing our lynch and allowing the wolves to make the first move. We can see who wanted to lynch the now confirmed villager, and who helped to move the lynch away from other targets. How bad is it for the village when it starts with a wolf nom? The only difference is we got to see who would prefer the game to start with a wolf nom vs a lynch.

I can accept that people didn't really know what was best at the time, because I was on the fence about it. But it has become pretty obvious to me today that it would've been better to lynch a villager, because now we'd be looking at the wagon instead of picking a different random target. We don't have a great deal of info to work with here guys, so it's just like day one, minus gizmo.

I'm surprised gator hasn't accepted he might have been wrong to vote no lynch. He's correct in that we would've defaulted towards the least active, but that's probably what we do today, isn't it?

Not me. I wanna lynch one of gator, rilla or hoopy. Gonna wait for rilla to post before I decide which.

Only wuf had the foresight to see that no lynching was bad. That doesn't clear him, could be wolf strat, but he's certainly in my villager camp right now, along with shotglass.

I thought you were turning into a decent player, but your rant makes me believe you still have some work to do. At its very basic this game is about numbers. There really are three main tenants that I go with in this game. They are as follows:

Villagers need to outnumber the wolves by the greatest margin possible whenever possible; you kill wolves when you know who they are; and known villagers carry just a tad more weight but shouldn't be relied on because they still only know as much as the other villagers.

Yes I realize that the village gets more info when people put pressure on other people and bandwagons form, die off, etc. however anyone worth their salt in this game realizes that the REAL decisions typically don't happen until day 4, 5 or 6. Even if we nabbed a wolf on day 1 there is almost no chance that you could tie that person to the other wolf. My final point is that a lynch today gives us arguably twice as much information which, imho, makes a no lynch yesterday slightly better than a random lynch.

With all of that said I do think it is absolutely time to start putting some heat on people.

You seem pretty villagery to me as does Wuf.

I would like to think that Bigred needs to be more active, but in past games that hasn't helped much either so meh on him.

JV seems to pop in then go quiet more than what seems normal but he is good enough to leave alone for now. My biggest knock on him is the boog vote. Unless boog is a wolf lynching him gets us nowhere unless he is about to be modkilled (See my first point above for why I still think lynching is better than modkilling inactives)

Rilla seems like rilla to me, but my guess is that his game is so balanced that it is going to be very hard to nail him as a wolf until later in the game.

I don't have a strong enough opinion at this time about Dan or most of the others except hoopy. His last few posts seem very strange to me so for now lets see where a lynch hoopy goes.

Lol that wasn't a rant, just sharing my thoughts.

Agree with you on hoopy, his posts are indeed strange.

My read on rilla is linked to dan. That post he made, which promoted me to bold him. He casts a suspicious eye on myself and shotglass, two of the three at the top of the draft list. Obviously, the wolves are going to worry about those most likely to have powers. They will be torn on whether to nom, because one wrong step and they can lose a wolf. But if they can get enough heat on those at the top of the draft list, they might be forced to out themselves, or better, lynched.

But he doesn't mention rilla, the other one in the top three. Rilla picked a good number.

Also, I wonder what raffle number dan picked to be last. 100 maybe? Good spot for a wolf to hide.

Dan my top pick, rilla ties in nicely with him, but certainly hoopy is suspect too, but if he's a wolf that fucks my soulread. I can switch to hoopy or rilla if a dan lynch doesn't take off.

promoted = prompted, that typo is annoying

Hoopy lynch is good

Here's what I don't understand, Gator:

In post # 110 you're agreeing with Hoopy but 4.5 hours later you're voting to lynch him in post # 119. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend him because like I wrote earlier he is next on my list, but I'm wondering why the change of mind.

Ong, the wolves would want the best powers just like the village and also want to be at the top of that list so they can say "I'm at the top of the list and have great power so don't lynch me". So your theory is pretty rubbish.

But unsurprisingly the moment someone mentions you as a potential wolf you bold them. That's ong werewolf play 101 so forgive me if your theories don't hold much water with me.

Also, I don't think discussing powers is a good idea at this point, it just isn't necessary. Later in the game we will probably need to, but at this point I don't see how it has any value for the village.

And why the fuck did someone bold rilla? Assuming that in day one a wolf would have done x is stupid. With 4 wolves this makes sense as they very likely consider a group strategy. With two wolves they could do absolutely anything and be no more at risk if being caught.

Originally Posted by rong

And why the fuck did someone bold rilla? Assuming that in day one a wolf would have done x is stupid. With 4 wolves this makes sense as they very likely consider a group strategy. With two wolves they could do absolutely anything and be no more at risk if being caught.

Me thinks you mighta got caught in a trap....

For questioning stupid bolds?

Gator bolds me for posting weird stuff, but was agreeing with me a few posts before, hmmmm.........

Agree with you on hoopy, his posts are indeed strange.

How so?

Regarding discussing powers I'm happy wait until later on if that's what everyone wants, but just remember that the wolves have probably already talked about it. Trying to avoid strategy talk might be ok if there was lots of new players but everyone here is experienced so holding back won't be as good.

I see I'm getting a lot of pressure from wuf and ong. Just want to put down some stuff.

Killing no one was the right choice. The better path to getting there would have been keeping the option off the table. I have been crushed for time in the real life, so I can't really play point this game.

Being suspicious of me is pretty standard, being suspicious of me over that is pretty empty. It's not "my logic" that's wrong.

I'll try to give this game some thought-hours today but even accessing FTR from my phone is going to be difficult.

Hoopy, I find your posts strange because you seem keen for the village to discuss powers, which is only going to help the wolves.

Dan, yes the wolves would want to grab powers. Thus, picking raffle number 100 and sitting at the bottom of the list would provide you with some nice cover. So I'm expecting one wolf to be high up in the draft list, and the other to not be.

And I don't snap bold people who suggest I'm a wolf. I try to understand why the person thinks I'm a wolf, and if there's no reason, as you admit yourself, then I'm suspicious. There's good reason for the wolves to focus on me and shotty, because we likely have powers.

Rilla, let me just be clear with you... I'm not on your case because you voted to no lynch, although I think it's strange that you did, but that might be my tactical mistake, not yours. I think you're a wolf because dan is trying to put pressure on me and shotty, but not you. Why aren't the wolves worried about you, when you very probably have a power?

Sticking with dan and rilla. If hoopy dies today and shows up wolf, then I'm clearly wrong and I reassess. But if he's a villager, I'm not budging.

Lol at the link between me and rilla. I said I'm suspicious of you and shotty due to the way you have been posting but there's nothing tangible there for me to get hood of, just an overall impression that was left, hence why I said I'm not keen to lynch you. But just because you made the top of the draft doesn't mean you can skate on by without being considered, which is what you're implying by using you're draft position as a defence.

Originally Posted by Shotglass

Here's what I don't understand, Gator:

In post # 110 you're agreeing with Hoopy but 4.5 hours later you're voting to lynch him in post # 119. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend him because like I wrote earlier he is next on my list, but I'm wondering why the change of mind.

I was agreeing that we shouldn't vote for a no lynch any time soon. That's completely different than whether or not I think he is a wolf.

Also I completely disagree with your wolves hi/low draft theory. Every wolf would be after getting the best possible power to assist with their strategy and wouldn't want a low draft position as it risks them not getting it.

Yup, dan's a wolf. He says I'm not a clear villager for being top of the draft list, fair enough. But then tries to use the fact he's bottom to clear himself.

No I didn't. You have a rare ability to look at information, twist it, then regurgitate it and make it mean something else.

It's a draft. My being bottom doesn't mean I'm not a wolf or that I picked a high number. If two people picked the same number they went to the bottom (if I understood it correctly).

My point, in bullet points to be real clear is:

A. you saying a wolf would pick a high number is stupid.
B. You saying position in the draft can help us spot wolves is stupid.
C. You're implying those high up in the draft should not be suspected. This is stupid.
D. You are stupid.
E. You do have a tendency to instantly attack anyone who casts any suspicion your way.
F. D and E combined leads to me not respecting your soul reads.

Originally Posted by rong

No I didn't. You have a rare ability to look at information, twist it, then regurgitate it and make it mean something else.

Funny that, because not once have I suggested I'm a villager for being top of the draft list, you invented that.

I'm saying those at the top of the draft list are going to be targetted by wolves. If I think those at the top are all villagers, why do I think rilla is a wolf?

You're twisting information, then accusing me of doing just that. You're funny.

Once again ong, you do the same thing.

I never said that you said being at the top of the list makes you a villager.

I said you are implying that those at the top of the list shouldn't be accused (ie you) by stating that anyone who puts any pressure on them must be a wolf.

Originally Posted by rong

I said you are implying that those at the top of the list shouldn't be accused (ie you) by stating that anyone who puts any pressure on them must be a wolf.

Well, you're wrong. I'm not saying, nor am I meaning to imply, that those at the top of the draft list should not be accused. Please refer to my accusation of rilla being a wolf.

I'm saying this... that those villagers top of the draft list will worry the wolves, because they will know we have powers, yet they won't want to nom us because of the army vet. That's plain logic. Wolves will want us lynched, not nommed.

And there's you, making subtle accusations to two of the three at the top of the draft list.

The fact that you've left rilla alone is why I think he's a wolf. Very little to do with anything he's posted.

Hey I know I might be wrong, I've been wrong with my soulreads before, but I've found a line that makes some sense to me, and you're not doing a very good job of convincing me I'm wrong.

Originally Posted by GatorJH

I was agreeing that we shouldn't vote for a no lynch any time soon. That's completely different than whether or not I think he is a wolf.

Thanks for the clarification.

That being said, lets get a bw rolling:
rescind rilla
lynch hoops

Just spit-balling here but wouldn't it be effed up if Ong and Rong are the wolves and going at each other for cover....

Hoopy has 3 of 6 votes. He's 4th in the draft and probably has a power. We should not lynch hoopy today, otherwise he'll be forced to out himself, allowing the wolves to narrow down the powers those above him have. Hoopy lynch sucks imo, even though I think he might be a wolf.

Dan, boog and jv should be today's targets. If people don't agree with me about dan, fair enough, so let's put pressure on the quiet guys.

Also, the fact the vig didn't shoot last night should hint strongly at which side the vig is on.

JKDS, you stated the wolves no how many powers were given out. Do they also know which powers were given out?

Ong, out of your list, I choose boog.

I'm obv not lynching me, there's no way I'm lynching JV, he's too good to be wasted this early, so that leaves boog who hasn't done anything all game anyway. But one thing about boog, he's been awol nearly every game lately. Has he ever turned out wolf when this has happened? I can't remember.

Originally Posted by rong

But one thing about boog, he's been awol nearly every game lately. Has he ever turned out wolf when this has happened? I can't remember.

Boog has reason to be awol, ie his time zone and work commitments. He already stated he is travelling. But yeah, I'm pretty sure he was a wolf recently, without actually checking through old games.

Agree that jv is too strong to lynch just yet, but I want to put some heat on him so he posts more. He's too good to sit there and do nothing.

Boog would be the default...non-participating players

Rescind dan lynch boog

I prefer a dan lynch still, but boog > hoopy based purely on powers.

BooG isn't a wolf, just an awol villager. He's probably forgotten about the game.

Bigred or Shotglass today.

Another strange post from hoopy.

Shotglass is a bad lynch. She's not a wolf. Last game she played wolf pretty bad (and yeah I played even worse), she should be easy to spot. Plus she's high up in the draft list, thus very likely to be a villager with a power imo.

Bigred is meh, I'm not against that one, nor do I have any read on him.

Boog can easily be a wolf, it's odd that hoopy is so confident he's a villager. He's playing exactly the same as his last few games... ie too busy to get properly involved.

I'm keen to leave the top of the draft list alive, because it helps me keep my power hidden from the wolves for longer. That's the only reason I don't want to lynch you hoopy. But man you're acting so wolfy, I'm starting to doubt my soul read on dan and rilla.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Another strange post from hoopy.

Shotglass is a bad lynch. She's not a wolf. Last game she played wolf pretty bad (and yeah I played even worse), she should be easy to spot. Plus she's high up in the draft list, thus very likely to be a villager with a power imo.

Bigred is meh, I'm not against that one, nor do I have any read on him.

Boog can easily be a wolf, it's odd that hoopy is so confident he's a villager. He's playing exactly the same as his last few games... ie too busy to get properly involved.

I'm keen to leave the top of the draft list alive, because it helps me keep my power hidden from the wolves for longer. That's the only reason I don't want to lynch you hoopy. But man you're acting so wolfy, I'm starting to doubt my soul read on dan and rilla.

If you remember correctly I was but wasn't a wolf...kind of a double agent. FWIW I thought I did ok until I was faced with dieing because you were going to get hung. :-p

For now stickin with Hoops.

Originally Posted by rong

JKDS, you stated the wolves no how many powers were given out. Do they also know which powers were given out?

Ghost JKDS Says: I gave them the number of powers on night0, and nothing more.