Yet another push/fold hand

**Blinky** · 09-07-2005 04:16 AM

I think I know the answer, but your input is, as always, appreciated. As always, more interested in the decision than the result.

$5 Party. The reads shouldn't matter but reddawg was slightly tight and so was Honcho.

NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:15516803 Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Tuesday, September 06, 23:33:19 EDT 2005
Table Table 12159 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 2: CASHISKING88 ( $1467 )
Seat 4: MrHarrySwass ( $440 )
Seat 9: Me ( $585 )
Seat 1: reddawg814 ( $1503 )
Seat 10: DeathByPoker ( $575 )
Seat 5: dzak14 ( $515 )
Seat 6: b_lally ( $1740 )
Seat 8: HonchoGhoul ( $765 )
Seat 3: cowboyfan131 ( $410 )
Trny:15516803 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ME [ 2h 2c ]
reddawg814 raises [200].
CASHISKING88 folds.
cowboyfan131 folds.
MrHarrySwass folds.
dzak14 folds.
b_lally folds.
HonchoGhoul calls [200].

Action is on you (well, ME)...

Results in white as always.

ME is all-In [535]
DeathByPoker folds.
reddawg814 calls [385].
HonchoGhoul folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5s, 5c, 4d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7s ]
** Dealing River ** [ 7c ]
reddawg814 shows [ Ts, As ] two pairs, sevens and fives.
ME shows [ 2h, 2c ] two pairs, sevens and fives.
reddawg814 wins 1470 chips from the main pot with two pairs, sevens and fives with ace kicker.
ME finished in ninth place.

**fjuanl** · 09-07-2005 04:52 AM

This is an interesting hand. I think I would fold preflop. Most of the time your getting called by 2 people here (HonchoGhoul played his hand TERRIBLY) Average scenario is your up against 2 players with two overcards. If all 4 overs are different (IE : You are called by KQ and AJ), your ~30% to triple up. If your against another pocket pair and 2 overcards your 17% to triple up.

Id rather take my chances with a coinflip to double up or at worst have 2 live cards for ~40% to double up.

If you knew that HonchoGhoul was folding it would be a fine play. Ususally when people call 1/3 of their stack preflop, they are calling a reraise.

**vqc** · 09-07-2005 04:58 AM

I fold this...

I push over 1 person, but not 2. not with 22 at least. I think I push over here with 66/77+.

**TLR** · 09-07-2005 08:05 AM

Fold preflop, for all the reasons mentioned by VQ and fjuanl.

I would probably push with 55 or higher PP

**drmcboy** · 09-07-2005 03:29 PM

Fold pre flop, I would probably even fold against just a single raise here. You have 0 fold equity here and it's best case a flip. If you were in the blind and could stop and go against one opp, I'd like that. Failing that I'd rather plan on moving in the first time I could open the pot.
Ducks are the suck.

EDIT - sorry missed that you were in the blind. Still with two opps in the stop and go is no good.

**dalecooper** · 09-07-2005 03:50 PM

Pretty easy fold for the reasons already mentioned. You're small blind on this hand, so even though you're short-stacked, you can wait another orbit for a better opportunity than this one. Additionally you're going to be in late position on the next two hands, giving you much better steal opportunities. You might actually get back in this thing by stealing blinds selectively and winning just one minor pot rather than taking a big risk with the ducks.

**a500lbgorilla** · 09-07-2005 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by vqchuang

I fold this...

I push over 1 person, but not 2. not with 22 at least. I think I push over here with 66/77+.

Same.

Can't play 22 when you're guarenteed a call.

-'rilla

09-07-2005 04:16 AM #1
Blinky View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2005 Posts 514 Location nutpeddlers anonymous	Yet another push/fold hand I think I know the answer, but your input is, as always, appreciated. As always, more interested in the decision than the result. $5 Party. The reads shouldn't matter but reddawg was slightly tight and so was Honcho. NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:15516803 Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Tuesday, September 06, 23:33:19 EDT 2005 Table Table 12159 (Real Money) Seat 8 is the button Total number of players : 9 Seat 2: CASHISKING88 ( $1467 ) Seat 4: MrHarrySwass ( $440 ) Seat 9: Me ( $585 ) Seat 1: reddawg814 ( $1503 ) Seat 10: DeathByPoker ( $575 ) Seat 5: dzak14 ( $515 ) Seat 6: b_lally ( $1740 ) Seat 8: HonchoGhoul ( $765 ) Seat 3: cowboyfan131 ( $410 ) Trny:15516803 Level:4 Blinds(50/100) Dealing down cards Dealt to ME [ 2h 2c ] reddawg814 raises [200]. CASHISKING88 folds. cowboyfan131 folds. MrHarrySwass folds. dzak14 folds. b_lally folds. HonchoGhoul calls [200]. Action is on you (well, ME)... Results in white as always. ME is all-In [535] DeathByPoker folds. reddawg814 calls [385]. HonchoGhoul folds. Dealing Flop [ 5s, 5c, 4d ] Dealing Turn [ 7s ] Dealing River [ 7c ] reddawg814 shows [ Ts, As ] two pairs, sevens and fives. ME shows [ 2h, 2c ] two pairs, sevens and fives. reddawg814 wins 1470 chips from the main pot with two pairs, sevens and fives with ace kicker. ME finished in ninth place.

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09-07-2005 04:52 AM #2
fjuanl View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2005 Posts 2,646	This is an interesting hand. I think I would fold preflop. Most of the time your getting called by 2 people here (HonchoGhoul played his hand TERRIBLY) Average scenario is your up against 2 players with two overcards. If all 4 overs are different (IE : You are called by KQ and AJ), your ~30% to triple up. If your against another pocket pair and 2 overcards your 17% to triple up. Id rather take my chances with a coinflip to double up or at worst have 2 live cards for ~40% to double up. If you knew that HonchoGhoul was folding it would be a fine play. Ususally when people call 1/3 of their stack preflop, they are calling a reraise.

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09-07-2005 04:58 AM #3
vqc View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jan 2005 Posts 6,560	I fold this... I push over 1 person, but not 2. not with 22 at least. I think I push over here with 66/77+.

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09-07-2005 08:05 AM #4
TLR View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Aug 2004 Posts 5,908	Fold preflop, for all the reasons mentioned by VQ and fjuanl. I would probably push with 55 or higher PP

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09-07-2005 03:29 PM #5
drmcboy View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message DrButtInski Join Date Aug 2004 Posts 10,670	Fold pre flop, I would probably even fold against just a single raise here. You have 0 fold equity here and it's best case a flip. If you were in the blind and could stop and go against one opp, I'd like that. Failing that I'd rather plan on moving in the first time I could open the pot. Ducks are the suck. EDIT - sorry missed that you were in the blind. Still with two opps in the stop and go is no good.

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09-07-2005 03:50 PM #6
dalecooper View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Sep 2004 Posts 3,001	Pretty easy fold for the reasons already mentioned. You're small blind on this hand, so even though you're short-stacked, you can wait another orbit for a better opportunity than this one. Additionally you're going to be in late position on the next two hands, giving you much better steal opportunities. You might actually get back in this thing by stealing blinds selectively and winning just one minor pot rather than taking a big risk with the ducks.

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09-07-2005 04:07 PM #7
a500lbgorilla View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD Join Date Sep 2004 Posts 23,228 Location This room is a good place to be	Originally Posted by vqchuang I fold this... I push over 1 person, but not 2. not with 22 at least. I think I push over here with 66/77+. Same. Can't play 22 when you're guarenteed a call. -'rilla

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