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doubleup
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06-02-2004, 05:59 PM
Post subject: Who would play this hand?
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Kansas City, MO
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Curious to know how many players would play 78s in LP when BB is 400 with 3 limpers? Your chip stack is around 17000, currently in 13th place with around 80 people left. The only reason I ask is because this is a hand I was dealt in a freeroll tournament. I would never play this hand except for on the BB with an unraised pot. I wish I had in this case though. Dream flop of 777, 3 go all-in. One has AA, one with 10 10 and the other 4 4. It was a huge pot. I was kickin myself in the arse after that pot, but I'm sure I did the right thing laying it down preflop. I've only been playin for 2 months so I'm not 100% sure.
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fishstick
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Full House
Join Date: Mar 2004
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spend 400 to play 78s - not me.
to bad you weren't holding A7s - that would have been worth limping in on, and a nice surprise for the AA limper. 
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athoughts
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Join Date: Apr 2004
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Do you guys not relize when there is a pre flop raise and there are like 5 callers that they all have pocket pair or HIGH cards...
i myself like to come in with a re raise if i have low suited connectors and on the button, 5,6s - 7,8s - 9,10s.. ect. Because... i am pretty sure i know what the 3 out of 4 players are holding, soo when rags do flop i can then make another move depending on the outs i have, and that is to bet if its checked to me and guys with high cards will lay them down, if someone is holding a huge pocket pair then he will probably raise me or do whatever, but its very easy to put ppl on a hand
I like low suited cards more then for instance, K,Q - J,Q
But if im goign to limp in or come in betting with low suited connectors and a big card does flop, i then know i must get out of there.
Iono thats just the style i like to play, aggresive with my low suited connectors. Cause alot of times they do hit. Much more low cards in the deck then face cards
Flame me by my play or w/e cause its not by the book but im just putting in my two cents
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doubleup
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: May 2004
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Athoughts- There was no pre-flop raise, they all decided to limp in with their pocket pairs. As for low suited connectors hitting often I'm not sure I quite agree. When playing 78s all you can hope for is a straight because even if you do hit your flush you can be beaten easily as a lot of players play face cards with low kickers that are suited. If you're playing them hoping for a dream flop than you're just wasting your money.
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athoughts
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Join Date: Apr 2004
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well mathamticly low cards hit more often. there are alot more of them in the deck
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headhigh
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Join Date: May 2004
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Well, I might have played them for a couole of reasons. The 400 is a small percentage of your overall stack. The three limpers represent pretty good implied odds. If the flop comes out rags you may be able to bluff the pot away cause they missed. And if the pot happens to hit you (as it did) one or two will likely stubbornly defend their good starting hand (giving you the good implied odds). Plus it's a great opportunity to mix up you play a little bit and keep them guessing at what you might be doing in the future.
Of course, hindsight is 20/20...
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toekneechin
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Join Date: Feb 2004
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this was a phenemenon discussed in a past cardplayer article regarding low pocket pairs versus many preflop raised callers. They found that with 5 callers holding premium hands, 44 is actually the favorite (even over AA) because of the increased chance of hitting a set and then getting paid for it. I have found this to be quite true in my real play games as well. If I'm late position with baby pockets and someone makes a sizable raise with plenty of people calling, I will call as well and more often than not the flop comes all low.
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Toasty
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: England UK
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I think with a stack of 17000 the 400 makes 2% of your stack, in late position I think you can make a call here proving to be +EV in the long run. If you were only on 2500 though, I'd dump it straight away.
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Poker is all about the long long long long long long long term . . .
Barney's back . . . back again . . .
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doubleup
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: May 2004
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I think one of my main concerns was a raise from the maniac on my left. Maybe I should have just called and if raised, bailed outta the hand. It's an iffy situation, I have mixed thoughts.
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SteveO
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Full House
Join Date: Apr 2004
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In late position, unraised pot, and many limpers always call with suited connectors. That is the best time to play them because you do not want to go heads up with that type of hand, and you are getting the implied odds and pot odds due to the fact that there are several limpers. When your hand hits you'll get paid.
However, I understand in this particuar example you may have been correct to get out of the way if you had a strong feeling that the last guy would come in for a big raise.
I took some flak at a table yesterday for playing 52s on the button. Everyone limped and I hit 2 pair on the flop w/ str draw. Took down a nice pot and cry babies laughed about me playing 52. Hell that was actually one of the better hands I had seen last night.
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Send lawyers, guns and money - the sh*t has hit the fan!
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Humphrind
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by SteveO
I took some flak at a table yesterday for playing 52s on the button. Everyone limped and I hit 2 pair on the flop w/ str draw. Took down a nice pot and cry babies laughed about me playing 52. Hell that was actually one of the better hands I had seen last night.
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You hit 2 pair on the flop with a straight draw. That means that the flop was 5-2-? If that 3rd card was a 3 or 4, you still only had 3 to a straight. I don't consider that a draw, 4 to a straight is a draw. And even if you hit your straight, you would be playing the board and have a pretty weak hand. Best you could do is chop. The only was around this is if the flop came 4-4-5. Then you still would have had a weak hand with only 3 to a straight.
I'm not complaining about your 2 pair. Even better if that turned into a boat. But in a situation like that, don't even think about a straight. I'd be curious to see the betting pattern on that hand.
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I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
I'm against it.
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