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Old 11-20-2009, 07:58 AM     Post subject: Weak TP against a loosish player ($12) #1 (permalink)  
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 Opp seems loose-passive PF, playing almost 50% of hands over a 20 hands, but tends to raise his best hands like AQs etc.

Villain's range - Two overs like KJ etc. (excl. AK or AQ as he raises PF with these), sets, overpairs, FD, Ax for the SD,

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, 4
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t120, 4 folds, SB calls t60, Hero checks

Flop: (t360) 2, 4, 3 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets t360, 1 fold, Hero ??
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Old 11-20-2009, 09:52 AM #2 (permalink)  
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I'd lead the flop for like 240 or so and give up to any action. As played, I think I C-R AI.
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Old 11-20-2009, 04:09 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I'd lead the flop for like 240 or so and give up to any action. As played, I think I C-R AI.
The problem is that villain has been classified as "loose-pssive". On a flop like this I dont think we can get rid of him often. He is not going away with an overpair, a flush draw and very likely not even with Ax because he flopped a 4-outer straight draw and two overs or a straight draw and a pair. So I think leading out isnt going to do it often enough because we will get flat-called a lot by a loose-passive player. So I think it's either check/raising or check/folding here. In a spot like this I might lean towards being a nit and waiting for a better spot.
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Old 11-20-2009, 04:26 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I agree you are not getting him off much especially if his Ax matches the board at all. And as mentioed Ax has SD.

I wouldn't even stab the flop. Not worth it. Moving swiftly along I reckon.... Taipan you would not CR-AI in a million years! stop it! lol.

I think seeing a fop from the blinds is exactly the same situation loose, losing players get themselves every time they limp in with speculative hands - you never know where the hell you are and just get in trouble - be it outkicked, flop a draw that will end up being second best even if it hits, crushed already etc..

Blinds used to get me in loads of trouble. Now I may complete (low blinds) with something like K4s with a few limpers purely to hit the flush and not the king due to reverse implied odds.

It's even worse in the BB when some1 min raises and u have nothing. Folding looks like they can get away with it and you don't want to call because u have to hit it very hard to stand any chance.
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