English
Deutsch
Español
Français
Italiano
Nederlands
Pусский
Svenska
Poker Forum |
Over 1,232,000 Posts! |
|
|
| |
| ||
|---|---|---|
|
|
LinkBack | Thread Tools | Display Modes |
| ed cooper |
|
||
|
evening all. this situation cropped up last night and i was surprised when checking wiz and it had this as an error. i know we are pushing tighter on the bubble, but i still felt this was a push, mainly in consideration of the short stack. is wiz able to compute this? ie players should be folding tighter with another stack so short? or should i have folded as the bb had me covered? (i didnt play with ranges by the way) PokerStars Game #41949523334: Tournament #258057550, $6.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2010/03/30 17:02:08 ET Table '258057550 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button Seat 1: hero (3280 in chips) Seat 3: PonyStartx (6135 in chips) Seat 4: spike77575 (2795 in chips) Seat 9: pkevinkotam (1290 in chips) hero: posts the ante 50 PonyStartx: posts the ante 50 spike77575: posts the ante 50 pkevinkotam: posts the ante 50 hero: posts small blind 300 PonyStartx: posts big blind 600 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to hero [9s 6h] spike77575: folds pkevinkotam: folds hero: raises 2630 to 3230 and is all-in |
||
|
|||
Play for FREE and practice your game at...Join the FTR Poker Forum to disable these banners and start posting! | |||
| taipan168 |
|
||
|
What calling range did you use for the big stack? I can see why Wiz is suggesting that you need to shove a little tighter here because you're the second stack and you're shoving into the big stack, so you have much more to lose if you shove, get called and lose than if you were a shorter stack. |
||
|
|
|||
| Nakamura |
|
||
|
Shoving into the big stack with 96o on the bubble is probably a fairly large mistake. You need to tighten up when you are 2nd and shoving into a big stack. Being called is absolutely disastrous. Unfortunately for you your position (right of the big stack) is the worst on the table. You won't be able to use your leverage of the 2nd biggest stack until the table dynamics change. |
||
|
|
|||
| Duffryn |
|
||
|
Interesting spot. The BB is not going to be super keen to call your push and potentially lose half his stack. But the downside of him calling is you being pretty sure of bubbling. According to Wiz, 96o is a push if he calls 15% or less. So will he fold A7o, KQs or 44 here? If so, its correct to push. Will he call with A5o, KQo or 22? Then pushing is incorrect. Unless I had a strong read that the BB was very tight, or you have been really tight and hardly played a hand, I would fold. Otherwise, it seems risky when he could well call wide enough to make this push incorrect. Folding 96o is not going to be a huge mistake, especially when the short stack is going to have to make a move in 3 hands or be crippled. |
||
|
|
|||
| ed cooper |
|
||
|
thank you guys.. after some calls that he d made earlier, i think he s calling wider than we want here, so perhaps i shouldve folded then. i think he s calling with any ace, kj +, 44 +. i thought it was borderline and was anxious when pushing. incidentally, if it were us in the bb, whats the bottom of our range all things considered? im interested to know your thoughts because this is an area where i need to improve. ive read various threads talking about ak being a fold etc and have tried to implement this into my play, but when i do play i seem to be making the wrong choice at the wrong time. all with experience i hope... thanks again, ed |
||
|
|
|||
| taipan168 |
|
||
|
Quote:
|
||
|
|
|||
| Nakamura |
|
||
|
Quote:
|
||
|
|
|||
| Jack Sawyer |
|
||
|
Quote:
In the past I would have told you to fold, but this is not optimal. We are looking to win this thing, not outlast the shortie. Blinds are already at crapshoot level. I also practice what I preach: PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 27 Tournament, 300/600 Blinds 50 Ante (4 handed) - Poker-Stars Replayer from Poker Hands Replayer  Button (t1545) Jizzy Sawya (SB) (t3246) BB (t3522) UTG (t5187) Jizzy Sawya's M: 2.95 Preflop: Jizzy Sawya is SB with  ,  2 folds, Jizzy Sawya bets t3196 (All-In), 1 fold Total pot: t1400 Results: Jizzy Sawya didn't show 7  , 6 (nothing).Outcome: Jizzy Sawya won t1400 While BB is about an equal stack to me (but still he does cover), replace BB with UTG and I'm doing it again and gambling. |
||
|
My dream... is to fly... over the rainbow... so high...
 Quote:
|
|||
| Nakamura |
|
||
| The stack setup is different, his bubble factor against you is much higher than in the OP. Shoving 76o is probably profitable in this spot. From as ICM perspective, shoving 76o into the big stack is marginal at best, depending on his calling range. You can make an argument that ICM doesn't model these particular spots well, but proving this is difficult. You would probably need some seriously computer simulation and millions of iterations. | ||
|
|
|||
 |
| Latest Poker News | |
| KoRnholio |
02-11-2012, 09:04 PM Tennessee worries that Online Poker could reduce State Lottery revenues
|
| There are a number of officials in Tennessee who believe that legalized online poker would cut into their state lottery revenues, much of which goes towards education programs. Shirley Raines, Preside ... | |
«
Previous Thread
|
Next Thread
»
| Thread Tools | |
| Display Modes | |
Linear Mode
|
|
All times are GMT. The time now is 07:05 AM.
|
|
All content © FlopTurnRiver.com |
Advertising |
Partners |
Testimonials |
T&C |
Contact Us |
FTR News & Press |
Site Map |
Search FTR
Full Tilt | Titan Poker | UltimateBet | Poker Stars | Ladbrokes Bonus | Sportsbook | Cake Poker Play Texas Holdem Online, Online Texas Holdem Strategy, & Poker Forum |
 |
| This is not a gambling website. |
