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Old 11-23-2009, 01:07 PM     Post subject: Two hands facing resteals ($12) #1 (permalink)  
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 These two hands happened within a few hands of each other on the same table.

Hand 1

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 12 Tournament, 30/60 Blinds (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB (t1260)
UTG (t3045)
Hero (UTG+1) (t1290)
MP1 (t1475)
MP2 (t1640)
CO (t1545)
Button (t1635)
SB (t1610)

Hero's M: 14.33

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A, K
1 fold, Hero bets t180, MP1 raises to t1475 (All-In), 6 folds

Total pot: t450

Villain is a TAGG with stats of 13/11/inf over 82 hands. I think I should call in this spot but I folded instead.


Hand 2

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 12 Tournament, 30/60 Blinds (7 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 (t1320)
CO (t2955)
Hero (Button) (t1110)
SB (t1685)
BB (t1365)
UTG (t1635)
MP1 (t3430)

Hero's M: 12.33

Preflop: Hero is Button with 6, 6
4 folds, Hero bets t180, 1 fold, BB raises to t1365 (All-In), Hero calls t930 (All-In)

Villain seems like a TAGG, but I don't have enough hands on him to be sure.

I'm not sure about this hand. If Hero raises and folds PF then he may as well be doing this with 32o. Folding 66 PF seems too nitty though, calling a reraise PF seems leaky. I called because in my mind I couldn't reconcile raising with 66 PF and folding, but I know this logic is very flawed ...
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Old 11-23-2009, 02:31 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Without a sick read I can't imagine folding AKs with less than 20 BBs left. KK/AA seem really unlikely and he'll show up with AK a ton of the time as well as the occasional AQ.
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Old 11-24-2009, 08:11 AM #3 (permalink)  
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I agree with baudib it will probably be AK. Re-pushing with AQ this early would be a bit out of character for some1 with 13/11 over 82 hands.

I suppose 1010 or JJ make sense if he just wants to take the pot now and figures you might fold.

This is a weird one though 30/60 is still pretty much early blind levels. I would probably have similar stats at this point and can't really think what I would shove with here. JJ comes to mind but then again I push with it here probably because I hate the hand, lol.

I think AQ would be a fold but AKs is a call.

As for the second hand I'd put a re-steal here on a decent hand as it's earlyish. Re-stealing all in is a big move for later stages but it's just not necessary yet (with a weaker hand).

At this stage as played against some1 you think is a TAG I'd think he'd be doing this with hands that are decent but not good enough to play the rest of the hand OOP.

I'd put his range on min of 77+/AJ+ maybe KQs (unlikely but the raise is coming from the button). I'm not just saying that because you had 66 by the way just because 77 is the start of the mid pair range.

I don't think folding it is nitty but like I said in another post next time u do it on the same table in the same situation you cant fold.

Think of it this way - rather than see it as nitty, think of it as definitely a bit leaky against a TAG that doesn't need to gamble yet.
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Old 12-07-2009, 01:46 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 Well I played the raketherake freeroll (MTT obviously) yesterday, and the loose-aggro was all out preflop (and postflop as well), with raise, re-raises, squeezes, steals and resteals from as far as the mid-positions... Not so many flops, and very few showdowns if you forget about the all-in preflops. Interesting game, and I faced similar situations as the hands above several times.

I am not really used to that in my usual low stakes SNG, but one thing that comes to mind for the second hand above kind of situation is that it may be better to just shove it to start with? Seems a bit extreme at this blind level, but if you know you are quite likely to face a resteal against loose aggressive players, then if you shove they will be faced with the tough choice, not you. Basically, you can't open fold, you can't limp because you will be raised, if you raise it is likely to appear as a steal and you are likely to face an all-in reraise... so what's left? Shove it! That's all I can come up with, really. Feel free to criticize, I'd like to hear your thoughts about how you play in games like that.
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Old 12-07-2009, 05:18 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Decent players don't really re-steal early as there is no need to. And of course you can flat call. You can then play the hand in position (if a 6 doesn't come)

If the blinds raise u can let it go.
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I think stack sizes have a lot to do with it here. In both cases Hero has around 20x BB so is not exactly deep stacked.

In the first hand, I would definitely call but I think it's close. FWIW I wouldn't call this a re-steal because you've got a TAGG player shoving over an UTG+1 raise from MP. That said, I don't put AA/KK in his range so I think you're slightly ahead here:


equity win tie
Hand 0: 47.599% 41.27% 06.33% { QQ-55, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 1: 52.401% 46.07% 06.33% { AKs }

In the second hand, this one definitely looks to me like a re-steal so I would call. Baby pocket pairs and Ax hands you beat are definitely in his range so I'd say you're solidly ahead of his range here (and this doesn't even include "real" resteal hands):

equity win tie
Hand 0: 45.975% 45.55% 00.42% { 22+, A2s+, K4s+, Q9s+, J9s+, A2o+, K7o+, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 1: 54.025% 53.60% 00.42% { 66 }
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Old 12-07-2009, 11:04 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 the first example is a clear call. hard to imagine this play was done with AA or KK. therefore, you are 50% favorite at worst, and the long run ROI looks great. any reasonable opportunity to double up in a SNG should be jumped on.

the second example is an easy fold. you are, at best, 50% favorite (only a donk would all-in with worst pp....and, yes, i know donks exist). given the high likelihood of bigger pp, your long run ROI is quite negative.

folding a losing ROI is never "nitty." could be quite profitable, now that others may try the same when you are holding AA, lol.
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the first example is a clear call. hard to imagine this play was done with AA or KK. therefore, you are 50% favorite at worst, and the long run ROI looks great. any reasonable opportunity to double up in a SNG should be jumped on.

the second example is an easy fold. you are, at best, 50% favorite (only a donk would all-in with worst pp....and, yes, i know donks exist). given the high likelihood of bigger pp, your long run ROI is quite negative.

folding a losing ROI is never "nitty." could be quite profitable, now that others may try the same when you are holding AA, lol.
I don't understand why you're happy to call in Hand 1 but think Hand 2 is an easy fold. Opp's range is likely to be much wider in Hand 2 than Hand 1 due to position (he's shoving over a button open raise).

Maybe I'm over aggressive, but I would shove over pretty wide in Hand 2, and worse pairs would definitely be in my shove over range.
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Old 12-08-2009, 10:51 AM #9 (permalink)  
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 I would definitely call hand 1.

Hand 2 I think it is close, I will probably fold it


 
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