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Old 12-01-2008, 03:01 PM     Post subject: TT - this is flop we want to check right? ($6.50) #1 (permalink)  
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Poker Star Game 22526517037 / Tournament
Table 124176147 1 -
Blinds : 50/100
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9 players
[SB] curielche (2360)
[BB] eNakamura (1440)
[1] KingerOne (1120)
[2] escapehair (640)
[3] MatthiasJ (2080)
[4] BabyDan7 (1380)
[5] malolico (1390)
[6] Virix (1000)
[But] DiamondDad04 (2090)

eNakamura T T Initial Pot: 150

KingerOne folds
escapehair folds
MatthiasJ folds
BabyDan7 folds
malolico folds
Virix folds
DiamondDad04 folds
curielche calls 50
eNakamura raises to 350
curielche calls 250
### FLOP ### A 2 6 Pot: 700
curielche checks
eNakamura checks
### TURN ### 5 Pot: 700
curielche checks
eNakamura bets 400
curielche calls 400
### RIVER ### A Pot: 1500
curielche checks
eNakamura is All in
curielche folds
eNakamura hide cards
eNakamura wins 2190 from the main pot
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Old 12-01-2008, 05:05 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 I like to bet PPs when the flop only brings one over but when it's an Ace (yuk), I check. It plays the same as KK I guess.

I'm not loving your river bet though.
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Old 12-01-2008, 05:12 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I like to bet PPs when the flop only brings one over but when it's an Ace (yuk), I check. It plays the same as KK I guess.

I'm not loving your river bet though.
I think I only have 490 behind on river and with a 2nd A out, I'm pretty sure I'm ahead. Is this not a value betting situation?
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Old 12-01-2008, 05:16 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Old 12-01-2008, 05:20 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 No, but pockets may well pay us off here and his play is consistent with weakly played low to mid-pockets. Considering this is unlikely, I can see that a value bet is probably incorrect.
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Old 12-01-2008, 07:26 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 The trouble is that we see so many donks playing trappy (badly) because they love to think they're some sort of poker genius. If you're not sure you're ahead, not betting is my preference.
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Old 12-01-2008, 07:31 PM #7 (permalink)  

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I like the check on the flop cause your only getting called by an ace most of the time. As the other guy said i don't like the river all-in because now that you got him to fold you don't know what he called your preflop raise outta position with.
I mean unless you already had enough information on the player but i think checking is the better play because if he has u beat he's gonna snap call and if he doesn't you still take down the same amount and you get information.
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 you shouldnt justify checking the river by saying you'll get information. if someone check/calls the turn and then check/folds the river, villain is an awful player. I think the shove is fine because its very unlikely for villain to have Ax and very often you'll be called by worse.

i think preflop is pretty close to a shove but standard raising seems fine because your in position and TT is destroying a bvb limp range
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I think you played it fine except the river bet. Most players won't bet out on an ace when calling a preflop raise, esp. a weak ace, but they will check-call. They'll also check call a lot of other hands, so a smallish value bet on the river would be more profitable, imo.
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I think it is close, but I think I would c-bet this for 400 on the flop. If we had KK I would definitely check behind, however with TT I am more inclined to bet (since there are a few hands that we beat that will fold). I prefer to bet the flop rather than the turn if we are going to bet since if opp is on a draw, we give him a free card to get there.

As played, I check behind on the river but I do not think shoving is terrible since the second A on board significantly reduces the chance that opp has one (particularly because he didn't bet the flop or C-R on the turn).
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I think it is close, but I think I would c-bet this for 400 on the flop. If we had KK I would definitely check behind, however with TT I am more inclined to bet (since there are a few hands that we beat that will fold).
If you're oop with TT and it check-checks on flop, do you lead out on turn?
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If you're oop with TT and it check-checks on flop, do you lead out on turn?
If I'm OOP with TT and it check/checks, I think I check again on the turn, but I think it's a close decision between betting and checking again.
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If you're oop with TT and it check-checks on flop, do you lead out on turn?
If I'm OOP with TT and it check/checks, I think I check again on the turn, but I think it's a close decision between betting and checking again.
I know, I think I lose so many big pots I could steal with the right bet in these situations. I think I should fire out on the flop in HU situations more often.
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Old 12-04-2008, 09:26 PM #14 (permalink)  

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Brave line, that's all I can really say about this hand.
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Brave line, that's all I can really say about this hand.
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