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fasin8ing

03-31-2006, 07:14 PM Post subject: Tourny Summary

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Insttead of posting my entire tourny beings I folded 90% of my hands. I wanted to get some insight if Iam playing way to tight. I took second. I only played 9 hands going into 4 handed play. Am I playing too tightly. I never got dealt good cards through the whole tourny. Is this typical ? Thoughts on my summary.

5.00 +1.00 PP 10 person SNG

Going into 4 handed play my stats were.
49 hands dealt.
Folded 40 times.
Played 9 hands.
Largest stack 3890 on the 49th hand.
Smallest Stack 1098 On the 21st hand

Hands I played.
6 6 (2) - Limped twice.. no set.. Folded to overcards and a bets by opponents post flop both times.

Bluffed once and stole the blinds.

Q Ts in the SB completed 50 to 100. Lead out with nothing on the flop and folded to a raise.

A J os, limped LP and then folded to a bet on the flop of 8 8 4 .

3c 5 c , completed the SB from 40 to 80 and folded to a bet post flop.

4c Kc, (1098 left ) blinds 200 / 400 called 1 limp in MP when I was on the button and two clubs came on the flop. I lead out 200 and a king came on the turn I pushed. Doubled up .

5h 8h In the BB checked.. flop came
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ks, Kh, 3h ]
fasin8ing1 checks.
ARGONUTTS checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 5d ]
fasin8ing1 checks.
ARGONUTTS checks.
** Dealing River ** : [ 2h ]
fasin8ing1 bets (600)
ARGONUTTS calls (600)

I took it down with a flush.

Had Q K os, in MP raised to 600 , someone shortstacked pushed A A with 1700 in chips , I called. I hit 3 queens and won the hand. ( 3896 chips going into 4 handed play)

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daluchy

03-31-2006, 07:24 PM

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Limping a 2.5xBB stack is really bad, if you don't hit the flop you cost yourself nearly half your stack.

Either push or fold when you start to dwindle that low.

Cold card SnGs happen. Some pre-flop aggression in position can help that out. I play turbo's where I'll end up playing a very small % of hands and making it ITM that way.

Tight is fine, but weak/tight is kinda iffy. You're limping the SB alot and betting OOP w/air, very much bleeding chips away.

pulling a courtiebee pŏŏl-ĭng ā kôrt-ē-bē (verb phrase):
1. overvaluing mid pocket pairs
2. knowing you should fold, but donkishly calling or raising anyway

Renton

03-31-2006, 07:25 PM Post subject: Re: Tourny Summary

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fasin8ing

Had Q K os, in MP raised to 600 , someone shortstacked pushed A A with 1700 in chips , I called. I hit 3 queens and won the hand. ( 3896 chips going into 4 handed play)

KQ is not a hand you call a raise and reraise push with for half your stack. You are dominated here at least 70% of the time, as you were in this case.

Warpe

03-31-2006, 07:32 PM Post subject: Re: Tourny Summary

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Originally Posted by fasin8ing

A J os, limped LP and then folded to a bet on the flop of 8 8 4 .

Raise preflop in LP.

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3c 5 c , completed the SB from 40 to 80 and folded to a bet post flop.

Meh.

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Originally Posted by fasin8ing

4c Kc, (1098 left ) blinds 200 / 400 called 1 limp in MP when I was on the button and two clubs came on the flop. I lead out 200 and a king came on the turn I pushed. Doubled up .

Blinds are too big to limp. Push.

fasin8ing

03-31-2006, 07:36 PM Post subject: Re: Tourny Summary

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Originally Posted by fasin8ing

Had Q K os, in MP raised to 600 , someone shortstacked pushed A A with 1700 in chips , I called. I hit 3 queens and won the hand. ( 3896 chips going into 4 handed play)

KQ is not a hand you call a raise and reraise push with for half your stack. You are dominated here at least 70% of the time, as you were in this case.

In my situation.. What range of hands do I need to call an AI with 2000 chips left? Keep in mind Iam only speaking of players with less chips than I. What situations would govern such a play ? ie; Iam in the blinds, on the button, or I am getting good odds. Suggestions?

Renton

03-31-2006, 07:44 PM Post subject: Re: Tourny Summary

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This is a very rough generalization. Your range to call in all in, in that case would be something like:

TT+, AK

If that stack just open pushed, without there raise in front of him then this might be your range:

88+, AQ+

To call a short stack push when theres a lot of dead money, I might reraise to isolate as a big stack with:

66+, AJ+, 43s-T9s

The idea is to avoid being dominated. KQ is dominated too much to call a push in most cases.

nickthefool

03-31-2006, 09:06 PM

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Q Ts in the SB completed 50 to 100. Lead out with nothing on the flop and folded to a check raise.

I think you mean reraise. You can't be check/raised if you lead out from the sb.

It seems like you need to work on telling which flops you can take off which opponents with nothing. It's not something i'm good at to be honest, but it's something i'm trying to imprve in my game.

It's a lot easier to do if you raised preflop, with the 6s if it was an unraised pot in late position i'd consider raising, also the AJ.

Often i find if i raise unraised pots from late position i end up winning the hand unless someone else has a big hand.

The poker gods love me really, they are just testing my faith !

fasin8ing

03-31-2006, 09:13 PM

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Q Ts in the SB completed 50 to 100. Lead out with nothing on the flop and folded to a check raise.

I think you mean reraise. You can't be check/raised if you lead out from the sb.

FMP

fasin8ing

03-31-2006, 09:25 PM

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I guess my real question here is :

How many times have you guys reached 3 handed play playing under 10 hands? If so, what does that tell you about what kinda player you are?

Through this tourny my highest PP was 99 through like 50 hands. When you dont have the cards to play .. at what point do you open up to other methods.. What methods are you using? I dont think its unrealistic to win a tourny at the 5's playing less than 10 hands. I think its almost standard without getting dealt great cards throughout the tourney.

I often can take a bad beat and recover well and not go on tilt. I usually go more on the tilt side when Iam not getting good cards.. Lets face it, I read posts everyday about AA , KK , AK , and so forth.. When you are not getting dealt great cards; at what part of the tourny do you figure out to open up your hand requirements. I know everyone here on FTR doesnt win with only playing great cards. My real problem here is like I said before in a different post, I cant wait it out all day long with the best of them.. But Iam playing for first, not ITM, not third, not second.

Suggestions or Discussion please...

fjuanl

03-31-2006, 10:27 PM

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How many times have you guys reached 3 handed play playing under 10 hands?

its not too tight, but its hard to tell because every tournament is different. somtimes you can play a few more hands because you either get a rush or you have more opportunties in late position. sometimes my hands are so unplayable that i play 0 from outside the blinds when it gets to 50/100. Just 1 double up and I'm back as a mid-stack.

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Through this tourny my highest PP was 99 through like 50 hands. When you dont have the cards to play .. at what point do you open up to other methods.. What methods are you using? I dont think its unrealistic to win a tourny at the 5's playing less than 10 hands. I think its almost standard without getting dealt great cards throughout the tourney.

you'll go through this a lot. some SnGs you just dont pick up anything...no PP's or A5+ after 100 hands. The key is to be a specialist as a shorstack. Knowing when to push and when not to can win you a lot of SnGs. The key is to watch your opponents. Are you paying attention to hands you arent involved in? It may seem like a waste of time, but when you get an idea of what they're limping ranges are, and how aggressive they are, it helps.

GatorJH

03-31-2006, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by fasin8ing

It is not uncommon to get down to a 3 or 4 handed game having played very few hands. In the situations where you are short stacked is where you need to REALLY focus.

Notice, who is stealing and who is folding to steals.

Open your starting requirements especiall from the button. When people limp at this level they are generally weak. Push over them (but be careful, if you do this too much you will get trapped by a big hand).

As you steal hands tighten up your starting requirements because people will be more inclined to call your steal attempt with lesser hands

FIRST IN VIGORISH RULES!!!! If you aren't the first one to raise you need to have a strong hand to play. The exception to this is if someone is stealing alot. In that case push over them with any moderate hand or better.

Push/Fold becomes the main strategy. You don't have the luxury of seeing flops and going from there. Get your chips in the middle and hope for the best.

Poker is easy, it's winning at poker that's hard.

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