Too tight for $6.50 turbo?

I'd call preflop especially since you are last to act and don't have to worry about anyone reraising.

You have excellent money to call for set value here, nearly 3:1 to call and you'll probably get close to stacking him if you hit your set and he has anything decent (tptk, overpair), because the pot is so nice and big when he bets the flop.

this is where it helps to be confident enough in your post flop skills that you think you can win this pot sometimes (even just 1/10) without a set, so you can 'play for a set' even though the price is close.

Having three way pot helps since you're more likely to find a second best hand, plus he's UTG so he should have something.

jj_frap said, "Damn...Folded 9s."

don't do this

I would call perflop

Originally Posted by drmcboy

jj_frap said, "Damn...Folded 9s."

don't do this

LoL Nitaments.

Super easy call preflop a) with two opps in the pot and b) since you close the action.

I'd definitly call. You have position and enough stack to call for set value but not only for that. But I certainly wouldn't tell them I folded 99

Personally, i'd fold this pre-flop, early on. What happened to looking to limp in CHEAPLY at low blinds and play for a set? You're 13% to hit trips on the flop, but pot odds here is 35%. I know you've got to factor in implied odds as well but with two pre flop players raising 4x BB its pretty likely one of them has a higher pocket pair and any higher card on the flop, turn, river has me worried.

Different point of view I guess.

Originally Posted by marmot

Personally, i'd fold this pre-flop, early on. What happened to looking to limp in CHEAPLY at low blinds and play for a set? You're 13% to hit trips on the flop, but pot odds here is 35%. I know you've got to factor in implied odds as well but with two pre flop players raising 4x BB its pretty likely one of them has a higher pocket pair and any higher card on the flop, turn, river has me worried.

Different point of view I guess.

You should probly just start playing go fish or something then. Youre going to hit your set and then be worried when a high card peels off on the turn just because it might have hit their hand? Thats playing way to scared and passive. Im calling here preflop and play for set value or if the board comes all unders. Folding is way to tight given your implied odds. Someone a couple posts up said you have position, which you dont, but you dont really need position with this hand so much. If you would have called im probly not calling bet and a call on the flop, however if i was heads up against utg raiser this looks like a good spot for a check raise. He raised the same amount on the flop as he did pf, usually a sign of weakness.[/i]

You should probly just start playing go fish or something then

I don't understand what this means.

I'm still not convinced its that cut and dried, I think a fold pre flop here is still perfectly fine here, 9 handed at level 1.

Anyone want to try and quantify the implied odds factoring in the possibility of a higher pocket pair with a 9 and an over card on the flop (if there is an easy way to do this)?

When you have a set, youll get paid alot more often by an overpair or with higher cards on the board when someone hits top set.

I said you should play go fish or something because you sound like you get scared to play a set just because theres an overcard and someone might hit a set.

Originally Posted by marmot

I'm still not convinced its that cut and dried, I think a fold pre flop here is still perfectly fine here, 9 handed at level 1.

No, folding here is a leak. What's much more important than the 230 chips already in the pot is the chance of winning a big chunk of opps' stack(s) if you hit your set on the flop and they also flop something that they're prepared to go to the felt with that you beat (which is most hands).

Originally Posted by marmot

Anyone want to try and quantify the implied odds factoring in the possibility of a higher pocket pair with a 9 and an over card on the flop (if there is an easy way to do this)?

Somebody did this on 2+2, I can't find where it is now. Basically the result was that if you can win 15x the amount of chips you need to call (ie. taking into account the shorter of your stack or your opps' stacks), then you have the right implied odds to call. If somebody makes a higher set than me on the flop I am going broke every time.

Basically the result was that if you can win 15x the amount of chips you need to call (ie. taking into account the shorter of your stack or your opps' stacks), then you have the right implied odds to call. If somebody makes a higher set than me on the flop I am going broke every time.

Interesting

So is everyone calling here with any PP? If not then where do you draw the line? Looks like this is a leak of mine.