Too Aggresive?

**Jack Sawyer** · 04-21-2007 05:31 PM

What would have been the best course of action here?

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Hand #41699496-44 at SnG-0009e (No Limit Hold'em Sit and Go)
Started at 21/Apr/07 13:26:51

JackSawyer is at seat 0 with 2220.
jlsdave is at seat 3 with 2460.
LynneP is at seat 5 with 1915.
noviceangler is at seat 7 with 3570.
burnny1 is at seat 8 with 3505.
sternworm is at seat 9 with 1330.
The button is at seat 8.

sternworm posts the small blind of 30.
JackSawyer posts the big blind of 60.

JackSawyer: 3d 7c
jlsdave: -- --
LynneP: -- --
noviceangler: -- --
burnny1: -- --
sternworm: -- --

Pre-flop:

jlsdave folds. LynneP folds. noviceangler calls.
burnny1 calls. sternworm folds. JackSawyer checks.

Flop (board: 6h 5d Th):

JackSawyer checks. noviceangler bets 60. burnny1
folds. JackSawyer calls.

Turn (board: 6h 5d Th 4d):

JackSawyer checks. noviceangler bets 330.
JackSawyer raises to 1320. noviceangler folds.
JackSawyer is returned 990 (uncalled).

Hand #41699496-44 Summary:

No rake is taken for this hand.
JackSawyer wins 990.
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**K2 the ArmA** · 04-21-2007 05:36 PM

Do you think it was right because it worked?

**Jack Sawyer** · 04-21-2007 06:20 PM

He layed it down.
I'd like to milk his stack more from my straight. Perhaps double up.
Just smooth call, then push on river would also be appropriate?
Did I reraise him too much?
Villain hesitated alot before laying it down.

**K2 the ArmA** · 04-21-2007 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Bidip

He layed it down.
I'd like to milk his stack more from my straight. Perhaps double up.
Just smooth call, then push on river would also be appropriate?
Did I reraise him too much?
Villain hesitated alot before laying it down.

Both smooth calling and betting the river or minraising the turn are good choices here imo. I would be convinced my hand is good and it is very unlikely he is holding two diamonds.

-I was more wondering if you think the flop was good because you hit?

**|~|ypermegachi** · 04-21-2007 06:48 PM

not a fan of chasing the gut shot.
not a fan of the push. you're better off doing a min-checkraise.

**Jack Sawyer** · 04-21-2007 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by K2 the ArmA

Originally Posted by Bidip

He layed it down.
I'd like to milk his stack more from my straight. Perhaps double up.
Just smooth call, then push on river would also be appropriate?
Did I reraise him too much?
Villain hesitated alot before laying it down.

Both smooth calling and betting the river or minraising the turn are good choices here imo. I would be convinced my hand is good and it is very unlikely he is holding two diamonds.

-I was more wondering if you think the flop was good because you hit?

Oh, I'm sorry.
I meant at the turn. As events played, I hit my straight. he made aggressive bet, I made more aggressive re-raise.

**K2 the ArmA** · 04-21-2007 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by Bidip

Originally Posted by K2 the ArmA

Originally Posted by Bidip

He layed it down.
I'd like to milk his stack more from my straight. Perhaps double up.
Just smooth call, then push on river would also be appropriate?
Did I reraise him too much?
Villain hesitated alot before laying it down.

Both smooth calling and betting the river or minraising the turn are good choices here imo. I would be convinced my hand is good and it is very unlikely he is holding two diamonds.

-I was more wondering if you think the flop was good because you hit?

Oh, I'm sorry.
I meant at the turn. As events played, I hit my straight. he made aggressive bet, I made more aggressive re-raise.

Which was OK, I think he would have spewed some more chips if you had:

-minraised
-smooth call and lead river

-Do you really want to be calling the flop there? How often do you just lose those chips as opposed to hitting a straight (basically the only hand you can make to be competitive with this pot.)

**Jack Sawyer** · 04-21-2007 09:05 PM

You are right though, but it was a very small bet.
I considered it an acceptable risk.
If that 4 wouldn't have dropped on the turn, I'd bail out.
Plus, his stack was twice mine. If i hit, I could double up, provided he wasn't drawing for a flush.

Also, since he minbet, I put him on leading for the sake of leading. Maybe he had the goods, say an overpair. He should have made it expensive for me to draw.

**K2 the ArmA** · 04-21-2007 09:15 PM

Shrug, on one hand it's a cheap price to hopefully hit and take a bunch of chips from some big hand. I think your mindset is ok if you have a better drawing hand where you have a better chance to hit the cards you need.

Sure you're getting priced 4.5:1 to catch here but I think you are like 8% to hit that card on the turn. How often do you think you hit AND stack off on this guy? Them are slim pickens.

What happens to your EV for the rest of the tournament if you call the flop here and miss/fold the turn?

**Jack Sawyer** · 04-27-2007 01:38 AM

Originally Posted by K2 the ArmA

Shrug, on one hand it's a cheap price to hopefully hit and take a bunch of chips from some big hand. I think your mindset is ok if you have a better drawing hand where you have a better chance to hit the cards you need.

Sure you're getting priced 4.5:1 to catch here but I think you are like 8% to hit that card on the turn. How often do you think you hit AND stack off on this guy? Them are slim pickens.

What happens to your EV for the rest of the tournament if you call the flop here and miss/fold the turn?

You are right. And me saying that i had a "feeling" that that 4 would hit isn't a proper argument.
Ah well, then I got lucky. I won't do it again, I promise

04-21-2007 05:31 PM #1
Jack Sawyer View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jan 2007 Posts 5,879 Location Jack-high straight flush motherfucker	Too Aggresive? What would have been the best course of action here? ---------------------------------------------------------------- Hand #41699496-44 at SnG-0009e (No Limit Hold'em Sit and Go) Started at 21/Apr/07 13:26:51 JackSawyer is at seat 0 with 2220. jlsdave is at seat 3 with 2460. LynneP is at seat 5 with 1915. noviceangler is at seat 7 with 3570. burnny1 is at seat 8 with 3505. sternworm is at seat 9 with 1330. The button is at seat 8. sternworm posts the small blind of 30. JackSawyer posts the big blind of 60. JackSawyer: 3d 7c jlsdave: -- -- LynneP: -- -- noviceangler: -- -- burnny1: -- -- sternworm: -- -- Pre-flop: jlsdave folds. LynneP folds. noviceangler calls. burnny1 calls. sternworm folds. JackSawyer checks. Flop (board: 6h 5d Th): JackSawyer checks. noviceangler bets 60. burnny1 folds. JackSawyer calls. Turn (board: 6h 5d Th 4d): JackSawyer checks. noviceangler bets 330. JackSawyer raises to 1320. noviceangler folds. JackSawyer is returned 990 (uncalled). Hand #41699496-44 Summary: No rake is taken for this hand. JackSawyer wins 990. ----------------------------------------------------------------
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04-21-2007 06:32 PM #4
K2 the ArmA View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2005 Posts 652	Originally Posted by Bidip He layed it down. I'd like to milk his stack more from my straight. Perhaps double up. Just smooth call, then push on river would also be appropriate? Did I reraise him too much? Villain hesitated alot before laying it down. Both smooth calling and betting the river or minraising the turn are good choices here imo. I would be convinced my hand is good and it is very unlikely he is holding two diamonds. -I was more wondering if you think the flop was good because you hit?

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Jack Sawyer View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jan 2007 Posts 5,879 Location Jack-high straight flush motherfucker	Originally Posted by K2 the ArmA Originally Posted by Bidip He layed it down. I'd like to milk his stack more from my straight. Perhaps double up. Just smooth call, then push on river would also be appropriate? Did I reraise him too much? Villain hesitated alot before laying it down. Both smooth calling and betting the river or minraising the turn are good choices here imo. I would be convinced my hand is good and it is very unlikely he is holding two diamonds. -I was more wondering if you think the flop was good because you hit? Oh, I'm sorry. I meant at the turn. As events played, I hit my straight. he made aggressive bet, I made more aggressive re-raise.
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K2 the ArmA View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2005 Posts 652	Originally Posted by Bidip Originally Posted by K2 the ArmA Originally Posted by Bidip He layed it down. I'd like to milk his stack more from my straight. Perhaps double up. Just smooth call, then push on river would also be appropriate? Did I reraise him too much? Villain hesitated alot before laying it down. Both smooth calling and betting the river or minraising the turn are good choices here imo. I would be convinced my hand is good and it is very unlikely he is holding two diamonds. -I was more wondering if you think the flop was good because you hit? Oh, I'm sorry. I meant at the turn. As events played, I hit my straight. he made aggressive bet, I made more aggressive re-raise. Which was OK, I think he would have spewed some more chips if you had: -minraised -smooth call and lead river -Do you really want to be calling the flop there? How often do you just lose those chips as opposed to hitting a straight (basically the only hand you can make to be competitive with this pot.)

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Jack Sawyer View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jan 2007 Posts 5,879 Location Jack-high straight flush motherfucker	You are right though, but it was a very small bet. I considered it an acceptable risk. If that 4 wouldn't have dropped on the turn, I'd bail out. Plus, his stack was twice mine. If i hit, I could double up, provided he wasn't drawing for a flush. Also, since he minbet, I put him on leading for the sake of leading. Maybe he had the goods, say an overpair. He should have made it expensive for me to draw.
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04-21-2007 09:15 PM #9
K2 the ArmA View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2005 Posts 652	Shrug, on one hand it's a cheap price to hopefully hit and take a bunch of chips from some big hand. I think your mindset is ok if you have a better drawing hand where you have a better chance to hit the cards you need. Sure you're getting priced 4.5:1 to catch here but I think you are like 8% to hit that card on the turn. How often do you think you hit AND stack off on this guy? Them are slim pickens. What happens to your EV for the rest of the tournament if you call the flop here and miss/fold the turn?

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04-27-2007 01:38 AM #10
Jack Sawyer View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jan 2007 Posts 5,879 Location Jack-high straight flush motherfucker	Originally Posted by K2 the ArmA Shrug, on one hand it's a cheap price to hopefully hit and take a bunch of chips from some big hand. I think your mindset is ok if you have a better drawing hand where you have a better chance to hit the cards you need. Sure you're getting priced 4.5:1 to catch here but I think you are like 8% to hit that card on the turn. How often do you think you hit AND stack off on this guy? Them are slim pickens. What happens to your EV for the rest of the tournament if you call the flop here and miss/fold the turn? You are right. And me saying that i had a "feeling" that that 4 would hit isn't a proper argument. Ah well, then I got lucky. I won't do it again, I promise
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