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**jimmy44** · 08-31-2006 02:49 PM

Hey guys!

I'm posting here 3 hands from a tournament I did last night on PokerStarts.
They are in sequential order, but not directly one after the other

-----Hand 1----
Hero's M = 45.20
PokerStars Game #6108173814: Tournament #30628825, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2006/08/30 - 15:04:07 (ET)
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v0.7.6) from FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '30628825 78' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: achutti (3450 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero (3390 in chips)
Seat 3: English777 (2030 in chips)
Seat 4: Brandonbilly (2445 in chips)
Seat 5: 69camino (1095 in chips)
Seat 6: silly412 (3320 in chips)
Seat 7: Dalenar (1745 in chips)
Seat 8: genevadad (1810 in chips)
Seat 9: Hobbl001 (2520 in chips)
achutti: posts small blind 25
Hero: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Qd Qh]
English777: folds
Brandonbilly: folds
69camino: folds
silly412: folds
Dalenar: calls 50
genevadad: calls 50
Hobbl001: folds
achutti: calls 25
Hero: raises 250 to 300
Dalenar: folds
genevadad: calls 250
achutti: folds
*** FLOP *** [5d Kc Ad]
Hero: bets 300
genevadad: raises 300 to 600
Hero: ???

I always have a problem with pocket Qs.Specially when the board come Axx! But I guess everyone does also ...
When I get them early in the tourney, I say to myself: "Damm, I'm going to loose money"

Should have I bet more pre-flop? Should I call? For me the small re-raise, says: "I have AA/KK/AK or maybe AQ!"
Even though, after this hand it seemed that genevadad was the kind of guy, that says: "don't mess with me" ...
Do think the guy did it for that reason?

-----Hand 2-----
Hero's M = 11.29
PokerStars Game #6108546821: Tournament #30628825, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/08/30 - 15:42:48 (ET)
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v0.7.6) from FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '30628825 62' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 2: bigricky (1160 in chips)
Seat 3: Pennanti (1730 in chips)
Seat 4: rd2121 (8570 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: Hero (2540 in chips)
Seat 6: Da Fiddler (6032 in chips)
Seat 7: asspartaus (1440 in chips)
Seat 8: Wesest (2435 in chips)
Seat 9: JT_n_ Vegas (1480 in chips)
Hero: posts small blind 75
Da Fiddler: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Kd Ks]
asspartaus: folds
Wesest: folds
JT_n_ Vegas: raises 150 to 300
bigricky: folds
Pennanti: folds
rd2121: folds
cluless is connected
Hero: raises 600 to 900
Da Fiddler: folds
JT_n_ Vegas: raises 580 to 1480 and is all-in
Hero: ????

This, I think, is a typical hand of KK. I got lucky, that someone raised pre-flop, so I go on top of him. But he goes all-in afterwards. Now, the only hand that beats me (in theory of course

) is AA. For me this was very unlikely and online in low buy-in tournemants sometimes I see this with TT. Is your move all-in?

-----Hand 3-----
Hero's M = 4.71
PokerStars Game #6108567191: Tournament #30628825, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/08/30 - 15:44:49 (ET)
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v0.7.6) from FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '30628825 62' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: cluless (970 in chips)
Seat 2: bigricky (1160 in chips)
Seat 3: Pennanti (2180 in chips)
Seat 4: rd2121 (8570 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: Hero (1060 in chips)
Seat 6: Da Fiddler (5732 in chips)
Seat 7: asspartaus (1290 in chips)
Seat 8: Wesest (2285 in chips)
Seat 9: JT_n_ Vegas (3110 in chips)
asspartaus: posts small blind 75
Wesest: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Qh Jd]
JT_n_ Vegas: folds
cluless: folds
bigricky: folds
Pennanti: folds
rd2121: folds
Hero: ????

Having an M of 4.7, for me this was a clear push, furthemore, everyone had folded to me and only 3 players were left to act. Would you push?

Thanks for the help!

**bode** · 08-31-2006 02:59 PM

hand 1 - fold
hand 2 - easy push
hand 3 - see hand 2

**Sprayed** · 08-31-2006 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Bode-ist

hand 1 - fold
hand 2 - easy push
hand 3 - see hand 2

**MissKitty** · 08-31-2006 06:33 PM

All these hands are fairly basic.

The first hand is an easy fold. Two overcards to your pair it's likely your QQ isn't good. So let them go.

Second hand, what's the problem here? Do you really have a problem getting your money in with the second best hand? I get my chips in anytime during a tournament with that hand. Don't be afraid to lose.

Third hand, push. You need chips and you can't wait around forever. Go for the gold.

**jimmy44** · 09-01-2006 06:40 AM

The reason I've posted hand 2 and 3 is simply, because in:
- hand 2, I pushed, the other guy showed AA and I lost 2/3 of my chips ...
- hand 3, I pushed, the other guy showed KQ and won.

As I'm still a beginner, I wanted to make sure I did the right thing.

Thanks!

**Sprayed** · 09-01-2006 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by jimmy44

The reason I've posted hand 2 and 3 is simply, because in:
- hand 2, I pushed, the other guy showed AA and I lost 2/3 of my chips ...
- hand 3, I pushed, the other guy showed KQ and won.

As I'm still a beginner, I wanted to make sure I did the right thing.

Thanks!

That's just the way it goes. Sometimes you make the right plays and lose.

**MissKitty** · 09-01-2006 10:50 PM

Right, Never let the results of a hand make you think you misplayed the hand. You played it well and that's all that matters.

**CDN Panther** · 09-01-2006 11:58 PM

QJos is not a hand that I like to push with shortstacked because you are likely to have coverage by anyone who calls you. What I mean is you are likely to face one fo the following AK,AQ,AJ,KQ,KJ 22+ or AXs. I can't think of a hand that calls this with less then one of these hands. Personally I like to have AX when I push late, any pockets, or low-mid suited conectors. 98s is a good pushing hand, as you probably have two clean outs if your not up against 88+. Just my thought on the situation for hand 3, the other two were played exactly like I would.

**J_Tizzle23** · 09-02-2006 05:14 AM

Originally Posted by CDN Panther

QJos is not a hand that I like to push with shortstacked because you are likely to have coverage by anyone who calls you. What I mean is you are likely to face one fo the following AK,AQ,AJ,KQ,KJ 22+ or AXs. I can't think of a hand that calls this with less then one of these hands. Personally I like to have AX when I push late, any pockets, or low-mid suited conectors. 98s is a good pushing hand, as you probably have two clean outs if your not up against 88+. Just my thought on the situation for hand 3, the other two were played exactly like I would.

I have to agree, I'm not exactly a mathmetician, but in my experience there have been too many times when QJ is dominated by anyone calling an all in, friends of mine like to refer to it as the 'hang myself hand' I would feel much safer pushing with possibly the best hand in an Ax situation, rather than having the possibility that K2 can easily beat me as with QJ.

As for the first hand with QQ, I just recently started playing tourneys avidly, and the best peice of advice I have picked up, is to never get into trouble in the early blinds... sometimes lay things down that may not be so easily mucked any other time for the sole purpose of gaining a chip stack instead of crippling your entire tournament on one mis-read.

08-31-2006 02:49 PM #1
jimmy44 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2006 Posts 1,404 Location Place where I can spew	Three hands ... Hey guys! I'm posting here 3 hands from a tournament I did last night on PokerStarts. They are in sequential order, but not directly one after the other -----Hand 1---- Hero's M = 45.20 PokerStars Game #6108173814: Tournament #30628825, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2006/08/30 - 15:04:07 (ET) Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v0.7.6) from FlopTurnRiver.com Table '30628825 78' 9-max Seat #9 is the button Seat 1: achutti (3450 in chips) Seat 2: Hero (3390 in chips) Seat 3: English777 (2030 in chips) Seat 4: Brandonbilly (2445 in chips) Seat 5: 69camino (1095 in chips) Seat 6: silly412 (3320 in chips) Seat 7: Dalenar (1745 in chips) Seat 8: genevadad (1810 in chips) Seat 9: Hobbl001 (2520 in chips) achutti: posts small blind 25 Hero: posts big blind 50 * HOLE CARDS * Dealt to Hero [Qd Qh] English777: folds Brandonbilly: folds 69camino: folds silly412: folds Dalenar: calls 50 genevadad: calls 50 Hobbl001: folds achutti: calls 25 Hero: raises 250 to 300 Dalenar: folds genevadad: calls 250 achutti: folds * FLOP * [5d Kc Ad] Hero: bets 300 genevadad: raises 300 to 600 Hero: ??? I always have a problem with pocket Qs.Specially when the board come Axx! But I guess everyone does also ... When I get them early in the tourney, I say to myself: "Damm, I'm going to loose money" Should have I bet more pre-flop? Should I call? For me the small re-raise, says: "I have AA/KK/AK or maybe AQ!" Even though, after this hand it seemed that genevadad was the kind of guy, that says: "don't mess with me" ... Do think the guy did it for that reason? -----Hand 2----- Hero's M = 11.29 PokerStars Game #6108546821: Tournament #30628825, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/08/30 - 15:42:48 (ET) Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v0.7.6) from FlopTurnRiver.com Table '30628825 62' 9-max Seat #4 is the button Seat 2: bigricky (1160 in chips) Seat 3: Pennanti (1730 in chips) Seat 4: rd2121 (8570 in chips) is sitting out Seat 5: Hero (2540 in chips) Seat 6: Da Fiddler (6032 in chips) Seat 7: asspartaus (1440 in chips) Seat 8: Wesest (2435 in chips) Seat 9: JT_n_ Vegas (1480 in chips) Hero: posts small blind 75 Da Fiddler: posts big blind 150 * HOLE CARDS * Dealt to Hero [Kd Ks] asspartaus: folds Wesest: folds JT_n_ Vegas: raises 150 to 300 bigricky: folds Pennanti: folds rd2121: folds cluless is connected Hero: raises 600 to 900 Da Fiddler: folds JT_n_ Vegas: raises 580 to 1480 and is all-in Hero: ???? This, I think, is a typical hand of KK. I got lucky, that someone raised pre-flop, so I go on top of him. But he goes all-in afterwards. Now, the only hand that beats me (in theory of course ) is AA. For me this was very unlikely and online in low buy-in tournemants sometimes I see this with TT. Is your move all-in? -----Hand 3----- Hero's M = 4.71 PokerStars Game #6108567191: Tournament #30628825, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/08/30 - 15:44:49 (ET) Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v0.7.6) from FlopTurnRiver.com Table '30628825 62' 9-max Seat #6 is the button Seat 1: cluless (970 in chips) Seat 2: bigricky (1160 in chips) Seat 3: Pennanti (2180 in chips) Seat 4: rd2121 (8570 in chips) is sitting out Seat 5: Hero (1060 in chips) Seat 6: Da Fiddler (5732 in chips) Seat 7: asspartaus (1290 in chips) Seat 8: Wesest (2285 in chips) Seat 9: JT_n_ Vegas (3110 in chips) asspartaus: posts small blind 75 Wesest: posts big blind 150 * HOLE CARDS * Dealt to Hero [Qh Jd] JT_n_ Vegas: folds cluless: folds bigricky: folds Pennanti: folds rd2121: folds Hero: ???? Having an M of 4.7, for me this was a clear push, furthemore, everyone had folded to me and only 3 players were left to act. Would you push? Thanks for the help!

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08-31-2006 02:59 PM #2
bode View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date May 2006 Posts 7,999 Location slow motion	hand 1 - fold hand 2 - easy push hand 3 - see hand 2
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08-31-2006 04:59 PM #3
Sprayed View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 3,326 Location GO BUCKS!	Originally Posted by Bode-ist hand 1 - fold hand 2 - easy push hand 3 - see hand 2

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08-31-2006 06:33 PM #4
MissKitty View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Aug 2006 Posts 77 Location Arizona: PsStakes.com	All these hands are fairly basic. The first hand is an easy fold. Two overcards to your pair it's likely your QQ isn't good. So let them go. Second hand, what's the problem here? Do you really have a problem getting your money in with the second best hand? I get my chips in anytime during a tournament with that hand. Don't be afraid to lose. Third hand, push. You need chips and you can't wait around forever. Go for the gold.

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09-01-2006 06:40 AM #5
jimmy44 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2006 Posts 1,404 Location Place where I can spew	The reason I've posted hand 2 and 3 is simply, because in: - hand 2, I pushed, the other guy showed AA and I lost 2/3 of my chips ... - hand 3, I pushed, the other guy showed KQ and won. As I'm still a beginner, I wanted to make sure I did the right thing. Thanks!

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09-01-2006 12:06 PM #6
Sprayed View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 3,326 Location GO BUCKS!	Originally Posted by jimmy44 The reason I've posted hand 2 and 3 is simply, because in: - hand 2, I pushed, the other guy showed AA and I lost 2/3 of my chips ... - hand 3, I pushed, the other guy showed KQ and won. As I'm still a beginner, I wanted to make sure I did the right thing. Thanks! That's just the way it goes. Sometimes you make the right plays and lose.

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09-01-2006 10:50 PM #7
MissKitty View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Aug 2006 Posts 77 Location Arizona: PsStakes.com	Right, Never let the results of a hand make you think you misplayed the hand. You played it well and that's all that matters.

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09-01-2006 11:58 PM #8
CDN Panther View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2006 Posts 54	QJos is not a hand that I like to push with shortstacked because you are likely to have coverage by anyone who calls you. What I mean is you are likely to face one fo the following AK,AQ,AJ,KQ,KJ 22+ or AXs. I can't think of a hand that calls this with less then one of these hands. Personally I like to have AX when I push late, any pockets, or low-mid suited conectors. 98s is a good pushing hand, as you probably have two clean outs if your not up against 88+. Just my thought on the situation for hand 3, the other two were played exactly like I would.

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09-02-2006 05:14 AM #9
J_Tizzle23 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2005 Posts 51 Location Arkansas	Originally Posted by CDN Panther QJos is not a hand that I like to push with shortstacked because you are likely to have coverage by anyone who calls you. What I mean is you are likely to face one fo the following AK,AQ,AJ,KQ,KJ 22+ or AXs. I can't think of a hand that calls this with less then one of these hands. Personally I like to have AX when I push late, any pockets, or low-mid suited conectors. 98s is a good pushing hand, as you probably have two clean outs if your not up against 88+. Just my thought on the situation for hand 3, the other two were played exactly like I would. I have to agree, I'm not exactly a mathmetician, but in my experience there have been too many times when QJ is dominated by anyone calling an all in, friends of mine like to refer to it as the 'hang myself hand' I would feel much safer pushing with possibly the best hand in an Ax situation, rather than having the possibility that K2 can easily beat me as with QJ. As for the first hand with QQ, I just recently started playing tourneys avidly, and the best peice of advice I have picked up, is to never get into trouble in the early blinds... sometimes lay things down that may not be so easily mucked any other time for the sole purpose of gaining a chip stack instead of crippling your entire tournament on one mis-read.
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