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| zachaser |
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| Just came back from a break and found these on Poker Stars. They seem like a goldmine; basically 5 out of 10 players get paid; it's a flat payout structure, so it works similar to a satellite in playstyle. I cashed in an $11 tournament today and literally never saw a turn card. Does anyone else think these could be insanely profitable? | |||
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| Rage2100 |
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I played a load of these on Pacific a few months back, and made a nice profit. They require a different strategy to a normal payout structure SnG, but I think they are good fun. When I went back to normal SnGs afterwards though, I thought I had lost a bit of my push/fold game. http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...re-t72214.html I've never seen the Stars ones, they must be new today, as I never noticed any last night. |
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| TLR |
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| 2 ITM out of 2 in the $22, it seems that this could be profitable but you need to adjust your game a lot | |||
 
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| lolzzz_321 |
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gonna load up 20 and see how many I ITM when i get back from the store 
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| Lots of bad play in these. | |||
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Just played a few of these, and the standard in them on Stars is just as bad as it was on Pacific. I had loads of luck after the hand below to finish in the money.  PokerStars Game #20897415744: Tournament #111906977, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2008/10/03 14:52:48 ET Table '111906977 1' 10-max Seat #4 is the button Seat 1: RTWills (1585 in chips) Seat 2: Joe_Coo (875 in chips) Seat 3: Hero (10 in chips) Seat 4: dbcooper18 (1390 in chips) Seat 5: Skinem (2040 in chips) Seat 6: selkies111 (150 in chips) is sitting out Seat 7: CraisyWon (3325 in chips) Seat 8: mickael9701 (1260 in chips) Seat 9: KK solid KK (2195 in chips) Seat 10: hish22 (2170 in chips) RTWills: posts the ante 15 Joe_Coo: posts the ante 15 Hero: posts the ante 10 and is all-in dbcooper18: posts the ante 15 Skinem: posts the ante 15 selkies111: posts the ante 15 CraisyWon: posts the ante 15 mickael9701: posts the ante 15 KK solid KK: posts the ante 15 hish22: posts the ante 15 Skinem: posts small blind 75 selkies111: posts big blind 135 and is all-in *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Hero [4d 9d] CraisyWon: folds mickael9701: folds KK solid KK: folds hish22: folds RTWills: folds Joe_Coo: folds dbcooper18: folds Skinem: folds Uncalled bet (60) returned to selkies111 *** FLOP *** [5h 9c 5s] *** TURN *** [5h 9c 5s] [Qc] *** RIVER *** [5h 9c 5s Qc] [4c] *** SHOW DOWN *** selkies111: shows [As 2s] (a pair of Fives) selkies111 collected 195 from side pot Hero: shows [4d 9d] (two pair, Nines and Fives) Hero collected 100 from main pot |
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| Illfavor |
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| These are extremely easy and dumb. You should all be able to make much more money playing real SnGs/turbos. | |||
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| Rage2100 |
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Even if you cash in 7 out of 10 of these, a couple of wins and a couple of second places in a normal payout structure 9-man SnG would show more profit, over 10 games. |
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| hangchiong |
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i agree its pretty dumb playing all this double or nothing tournaments,and i gotta admit,i just load 20 of this and got about 12-13 wins.which is pretty bad,i think. on adjusting our play,the bubble part is pretty interesting,shoving KK with 5 limpers isnt a good idea,with this people calling you with anything,and you get knocked out. i think playing this once in a while,should be ok.ICM effect is pretty different. |
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| derringer007 |
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 I'm going to check these out, Thanks for the info.
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| Stripclubjunkie |
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| Wish they would make them super turbo or something... | |||
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| Sprayed |
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| They fixed the rake. | |||
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| dranger7070 |
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| I gotta say, I REALLY don't like these things. I've played in 3 and I've cashed in all 3 but it's SO tedious. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm probably not gonna play too many of these. Maybe on occasion if my roll is low or something but definitely not gonna be the bread and butter. | |||
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| Kijjo |
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| I've noticed Sharkscope shows these as much easier (fishier) tables than the regulars. On one hand that sounds great, but honestly it's tough for me to really get into the idea of playing a really solid game and only doubling my buy-in (minus rake). | |||
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| bpashs |
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Hey new to the site. I just created a fresh account on Pokerstars to be able to judge just how profitable these tables are. The name is bpashs if you want to sharkscope it and follow my progress.... Started with 5 dollars on the account and am now up to 500 in a matter of 5 days. Play 20 D or N on average but occassionally go over to the 104 table where the games tighter but seems easier.... If I can reach 15K before Dec. I'll let you guys know who I am 
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| taipan168 |
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Please please please read the article on bankroll management before you go any further. You should be playing with a minimum of 30 buyins at low levels and up to 100 at higher ones otherwise you WILL go busto, it's just a matter of time. |
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| bpashs |
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Well my bankroll is well above what I started with.....Im blogging my own experience in which i'm trying to find a fast way from nothing to something for poker players in terms of easy cashing. I understand bankroll management and at what levels to play. Just showing how to roll the D or N tourneys Also as nice as it would be to just deposit 3k and play the 100 levels .....I thought it would be more interesting and realistic to start with a level on the plain of someone who may have won a freeroll or two |
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| bigspenda73 |
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| I played one the other night, flopped a set on the very first hand and folded my way to victory! | |||
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| bpashs |
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Im sorry if I came off sounding like I had just started playing poker. Thankfully thats not the case. I created another account to do something along the lines of Jesus in that im proving with the new D or N SNG's you can make quite a nice roll from nothing. I understand that im not coming in at a noobs skill playing level and that I play 100+ SNGs on average....I make my living playing poker. But I just wanted to show how easy money these SNGs can be if you play them right....I'll link my blog for further discussion. Currently im at $750 in this account. I play 2-4 $20 tables at a time. And around 1 to 2 $100 or $50 D or N a day. I manage my bank roll fine enough. See ya on the felt |
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| Chopper |
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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| billyfold |
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This is my first post..! I have some thoughts on this topic. Thought No 1...These double or nothing tables are a great way to rescue yourself when you are close to crashing out! Thought No 2...bpashs is obviously a world famous poker personality! Thought No 3...This poker personality must be a member of the Pokerstars Team! Thought No 4...I,m gonna nail my colours to the mast and say that we are talking about Daniel Negreanu! Thought No 5...or Moneymaker...or Hachem... Thought No 6...think I,ll shut the **** up! |
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| Kijjo |
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| Man, you got me interested, I started with 5 bucks and have been grinding for months. Where's the blog link? Or was he saying he was going to link it up depending on results? | |||
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#1 The bluff call #2 The Drawing-Dead Value Bet __________________________________________________ _____________ "What we do in life echoes in eternity." Maximus Decimus Meridius - Gladiator
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| Jack Sawyer |
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these tournies suck except when you have like 3 or 4 buyins as your roll and bpashs you created another stars account or another ftr account? my bet is you are some undercover baller though, not an ftr reg |
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| Chopper |
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second, it may not be a balla, but he created both a stars account and FTR account, hopes to create a bunch of hype, so when he reveals himself, we all go "wow, you are cool." |
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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| bpashs |
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Its a new FTR account and new Pokerstars account.........as to me doing this to say "wow your cool" ........ you'll just have to see.... Not saying its my first FTR account either 
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| senchao |
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| How much time did you invest in these would you say? Are you getting a good hourly-rate playing these? | |||
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| DoanDiggy |
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I'm not all that experienced, but from the time I've spent in these games, it's mostly mindless play, at least at the lowest stakes. The right play is even more tight/aggressive, so it's really easy to have one of these games going on in the background, playing for a few pots and then coasting to an easy finish. I definitely wouldn't recommend trying to make all of your money on these tables, but I think it is probably a good way for a beginner to multi-table and bring in a little extra without diverting too much attention from the one or two games that they are used to playing. At least on PokerStars, in the $1+.15 ones, placing in just 6/10 should be easily attainable and is just above the breakeven point. With some experience, 7/10 or 8/10 isn't out of reach. 7.5/10 represents a 30% ROI, so it's not all that bad. It certainly is tedious play, though, so unless you are running like 6 of these at once, I definitely recommend playing a different style at the same time. |
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| goforlowonly |
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| ive had great luck playing these. play them on both stars and cake. roi is 12% on cake out of 184 games, and not as much on stars, but still positive. my total bankroll (that includes everything ive got in cash and in the bank--not just online--is now at $4100 and it was at $2500 when i returned home from vegas sept 5. | |||
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| goforlowonly |
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| i know im new here, but ive made close to 700 posts on twoplusttwo forums, my id there is sevencard2003 for anyone who might have seen that name before. | |||
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over 650 posts on 2+2 forums.
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| DoanDiggy |
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Here's the trimmed tourney for a recent DoN: The Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) was developed by JeffreyGB at http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com. ---Tournament Summary--- $1.10 SNG: Finished 1/10 for $2 Data for 19 hands. You played 1 hands (5.26%) You raised 0 times preflop (0.00%) -----Hand 1----- Hero's M = 50.00 PokerStars Game #21210793912: Tournament #114308217, $1.00+$0.15 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/10/15 8:13:15 ET Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com Table '114308217 1' 10-max Seat #1 is the button First hand, I'm on the button Preflop: DoanDiggy dealt 3  3 5 limpers DoanDiggy: calls 20 BB checks Flop: 2 9 Jbet, call, fold, raise, call, call in front of me DoanDiggy: folds 9 Q CO (M = 49.33; c+f+f+f+c+F)2 4 MP2 (M = 49.33; f+f+c+F)4 3 MP1 (M = 49.33; c+f+F)3 T UTG+1 (M = 49.33; f+F)T 3 UTG (M = 49.33; F)A  5 BB (M = 49.33; c+c+c+f+r+c+F)8 9 SB (M = 32.44; f+f+f+c+f+F)8 Q BU (M = 32.11; f+c+c+c+F)2 A CO (M = 32.11; c+f+f+F)Q 7 MP1 (M = 32.11; c+f+F)7 T UTG+1 (M = 32.11; c+F)4 5 UTG (M = 32.11; F)Q 4 BB (M = 32.11; f+c+r+f+f+c+F)5 3 SB (M = 31.44; c+f+f+f+c+F)2 6 BU (M = 12.73; p+f+f+f+F)J T CO (M = 12.68; f+f+c+F)T 8 MP1 (M = 12.64; c+c+F)3 7 UTG (M = 13.19; F)The Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) was developed by JeffreyGB at http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com. That's right... I never even had to contest a hand to win . (It's a good thing, too, since I never got one.)
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| Kijjo |
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| wow, nice. How long does it take for half the field to donk out in 19 hands? about 15 mins or so? | |||
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#1 The bluff call #2 The Drawing-Dead Value Bet __________________________________________________ _____________ "What we do in life echoes in eternity." Maximus Decimus Meridius - Gladiator
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| goforlowonly |
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| normally its more hands and takes about 30 min or so | |||
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| DetroitHusling101 |
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i hate these. they are boring. i would rather play old maid. that is all. |
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| DetroitHusling101 |
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and what's up with the guy above me's signature "over 650 posts on 2+2 forums" llllllllooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool????????A?! ??!?!?3/4/?24./'; df |
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| DoanDiggy |
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 at "old maid". And I agree with you that they are boring if that is all you are playing. If you are playing a SNG, MTT, or satellite at the same time though, it's nice to be able to play another table for almost guaranteed positive ROI without paying much attention to it at all.
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| kevster |
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| Surely you could multi-table a ton of these things. What happened to trip's experiment I wonder. | |||
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| zachaser |
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A couple things about these: 1. When there are 6 players left, and 1 of them has 2 BB's or less, you should fold every hand. I've been mass multi-tabling these, and it feels great throwing Aces away when you know it doesn't matter. 2. Stack size is THE most important thing late game in DON's. If you're the short stack by a long shot, do NOT be afraid to gamble. You will have to double up to stay in; you're already in a -EV situation, don't make it worse by blinding out when you have an okay hand to go all in with. Additionally, be EXTREMELY aggressive against people with shorter stacks than you. BVB you should almost always push ATC on the BB if there's an extreme shortstack who's already folded. 3.Bubble Factors are EXTREMELY HIGH- This means you cannot call all-ins in most circumstances without a monster hand. On the bubble, you're all playing for the same prize, do you really want to ruin it by taking an unnecessary coin flip with your AK? 4.When blinds get high with 7-8 players, what are our BVB calling ranges? I ask because I often get pushed on (correctly) by regs in these spots, and I'm wondering how far we deviate from normal SNG calling ranges if we know these guys are shoving ATC. 1-3 are mostly advice and things I've gathered from playing, I'm interested in hearing discussion on number 4. BTW, I've made almost $400 since I started playing these 3 days ago. 15 tabling FTW! |
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| DetroitHusling101 |
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[quote="zachaser"]A couple things about these: 1. When there are 6 players left, and 1 of them has 2 BB's or less, you should fold every hand. I've been mass multi-tabling these, and it feels great throwing Aces away when you know it doesn't matter. Additionally, be EXTREMELY aggressive against people with shorter stacks than you. BVB you should almost always push ATC on the BB if there's an extreme shortstack who's already folded. quote] i don't play these and pretty much hate them and despise the fact that it's just another way grinders are gonna lose fish in their games because they are gonna b attracted to this game , but yeah thats just my opinion. but your first point and the second seem to contradict each other. what do we gain by rapeing the bubble? what do those blinds gain us if there is a shorty around? nothing imo. smidges of equity since having a huge stack itm doesn't matter because were done once were itm and are never getting more than 20% of the prize pool, which is why i hate these. no fun , no huge +EV spots. i could be way off about not pushing extremly light too , that's just my view of it. say its smthing like bb200 +ante utg 500 stack folds 3 other stacks between 1500-3500 fold you in sb with 2500 bb 2000 i don't see what we gain shoving super wide here. the blinds+ante's arn't really doing much for us and it's like all kinds of bad if bb wakes up with a hand or if he decides he's gonna call us light since he doesn't care (which i assume happens just like it does in reg. turbo sngs) |
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| DetroitHusling101 |
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| and in my example in theory bb should prob fold EVERYTHING , including AA , but are regs even doing so? i mean i guess if you know the bb is folding EVERYTHING there than meh do it for shits and giggles , but your really not gaining much if any equity $ev or w/e since your pretty much freerolling into the money with that setup. and chances are randoms are not folding big pairs. ak , aq and who knows what other kinda bad calls they make , i wouldn't know since i've only played a handful of these. | |||
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| zachaser |
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Also, I hope these attract all the fish, they are proving very profitable so far! |
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| DetroitHusling101 |
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yep makes sense in that situation. heres a fun example of how stupid i think sometimes. when they first came out i was like cool , ill grind these so i can hit supernova by the end of the year (not happening anymore) , and than they lower the rake and i was dissapointed lol. |
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i am beginning to think these are nothing more than a novelty for Stars. they are designed to be 50/50 w/ only the rake coming out ahead in the end. i have played in over 100 of them. i run about 58% ITM. not bad. but, the short stack NEVER dies on the first shot. i have seen multiple examples over the last two days. most noted... QQ v 99 v 55. 55 hits set, and was shortest stack. AA v T3o. trip 3's hit. i myself tested the theory and doubled up 4 times. with trash hands. i understand this cant be proven, and its not necessarily rigged. but, i would look into the "altered deal" rumors and chalk this up there with something Stars may be trying off and on to "juice" the games/rakes. just saying its possible... |
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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