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Old 11-18-2009, 07:08 PM     Post subject: Some hands from micro tables #1 (permalink)  
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Hi all,

These hands were extracted from a 1,20 game at Absolute Poker. I wonder if the decisions were correct (probably not, in retrospect)

HAND 1: Blind stealing in late game
The BB was running 20/2 and the table was fairly tight. Is J8o a good shove here?

No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 150/300 Blinds (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) (t1255)
BB (t1735)
UTG (t3265)
MP (t1705)
CO (t1650)
Button (t3890)

Hero's M: 2.79

Preflop: Hero is SB with J, 8
4 folds, Hero bets t1105 (All-In), BB calls t955

Flop: (t2510) 3, A, 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t2510) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2510) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t2510


HAND 2: late game. This is a terrible shoving but the blinds were too high at this momet. I had to gamble sometime. I folded A5 in the previous hand.

No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 150/300 Blinds (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (UTG) (t1940)
MP (t6927)
Button (t1817)
SB (t2068)
BB (t748)

Hero's M: 4.31

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, 7
Hero bets t1940 (All-In), 2 folds, SB calls t1790, 1 fold

Flop: (t4180) 5, 5, 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t4180) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t4180) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t4180

HAND 3: Questionable call PF? Villain was raising 6%, but I thougth I had odds to call here. The shove in the flop is OK, right?

No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 150/300 Blinds (4 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button (t3150)
SB (t2360)
Hero (BB) (t1880)
UTG (t6110)

Hero's M: 4.18

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, 6
UTG bets t600, 2 folds, Hero calls t300

Flop: (t1350) 2, 3, 9 (2 players)
Hero bets t1280 (All-In), UTG calls t1280

Turn: (t3910) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t3910) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t3910
 
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Old 11-18-2009, 08:13 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: Standard shove, you should still have a little bit of fold equity here considering BB's stack

Hand 2: Don't like the UTG shove, with 6.5x BB you can still afford to wait a little longer

Hand 3: Insta fold preflop particularly considering Villain's stats and the fact that he/she raised from UTG. You don't have implied odds to call here and in fact this hand can have bad reverse implied odds on an A or 6 high flop.

As played, I think your stop 'n' go is the only thing you can do particularly considering that you flopped the nut flush draw. Stack sizes are actually pretty nicely set up here for a flop shove and you should still have a bit of fold equity.
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Old 11-19-2009, 07:30 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: Standard shove, you should still have a little bit of fold equity here considering BB's stack

Hand 2: Don't like the UTG shove, with 6.5x BB you can still afford to wait a little longer

Hand 3: Insta fold preflop particularly considering Villain's stats and the fact that he/she raised from UTG. You don't have implied odds to call here and in fact this hand can have bad reverse implied odds on an A or 6 high flop.

As played, I think your stop 'n' go is the only thing you can do particularly considering that you flopped the nut flush draw. Stack sizes are actually pretty nicely set up here for a flop shove and you should still have a bit of fold equity.
Hand 1: yeah thats totally standard

Hand 2: Would you shove here if the stacks were arranged differently across the table? Personally I'd kind of like the shove if the shorty wasnt in the BB and we would hit the blinds before him.

Hand 3: I actually think this is a really good spot to go for a stop n go. As long as you are ready to shove any flop. It's a min-raise by the chipleader. UTG or not he could be doing this with all kinds of hands. But with our stack size here we can't really make him fold pre.
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Hand 2: Would you shove here if the stacks were arranged differently across the table? Personally I'd kind of like the shove if the shorty wasnt in the BB and we would hit the blinds before him.
Yeah, we are guaranteed a showdown with BB but that's not a bad thing since we're ahead of his range. It's really the fact that even discounting BB we have three other players to go through. Haven't run it in SNG Wiz but I doubt that it's very -EV though (although my guess is that it's slightly -EV).

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Hand 3: I actually think this is a really good spot to go for a stop n go. As long as you are ready to shove any flop. It's a min-raise by the chipleader. UTG or not he could be doing this with all kinds of hands. But with our stack size here we can't really make him fold pre.
Agreed, stop 'n' go isn't such a bad move. The only reason I prefer folding is that UTG is the big stack and he's only raising 6%, so we've gotta figure that he's going to call a shove on most flops. Stack sizes are set up nicely for a stop 'n' go however.
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Interesting, I ran Hand 2 in SNG Wiz with the big stack calling with 8% of hands (66+, AJo+, ATs+) Button calling 10%, SB calling 12% and BB calling 100% and shoving was -1.8% EV. Our shove range in this spot is 88+, AQo+, AJs+.
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Old 11-19-2009, 08:08 PM #6 (permalink)  
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100% for the BB seems too much to me. I know he is super short but I say you never have zero fold equity against a random. I see a lot of crazy folds by bad players.

But yeah in this spot I guess it's be best to conserve our chips and let someone else try to take him out. I'd really hate open-folding A7 though when we have such a small stack.
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Thanks for the feedback! By the way...I forgot to mention that all three hands were from turbo tables...does it change anything?

I never thought I would play in these tables, but after 86 games, I tried 4 regular tables today...very boring. It feels like working much more to earn about the same money.

Of course, I'm experiencing some downswings, but thats part of the game.
 
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Thanks for the feedback! By the way...I forgot to mention that all three hands were from turbo tables...does it change anything?
No, doesn't matter whether it is a normal, a turbo or a super turbo, what you're looking at is your stack/blind ratio and the stack/blind ratio of other players (as well as all the other factors eg. number of players left, payout structure, position, reads, etc.)

The only difference between normals and turbos is that you get short stacked significantly faster than in a normal. Once you're in the same spot in either game, it makes little or no difference.
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