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SNGs with loose passive players
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Hubris1
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02-02-2005, 10:03 AM
Post subject: SNGs with loose passive players
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Straight
Join Date: Dec 2004
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Just had an SNG with a lot of loose passive players, in fact seemed like everyone fit into this category. I saw countless horrible hands makign their way to the flop, I saw a short stack call a bet of 50% of their stack with 9/10os, saw a 4x bb raise to the tune of 30% of a guys stack get called with the sawmill offsuit, a2 offsuit calling a 6xbb raise from utg+1. Just really, really horrible plays. Add on top of that every unraised pot had three or four limpers when we were as few as seven handed. I was seeing a short stack with 4xx bb left caling BB UTG with danger hands. Bottom pair calling to the river with 50% of pot bets, etc.
Obviously in a ring game I would have shaked each one of these bastards hands and bought them a box of chocolates, in an SNG though when I'm only looking at ~150-200 hands and the blinds are cutting into my stack playign tight here isn't an option, its actually rather painful. I realized how fundamentally important blind stealing is to my style, and most styles, and I just couldn't do it in this situation and post flop I couldn't put them on any hand at all. I started overvaluing my starting hands, but when the flop doesn't hit and I could only even consider semi bluffing, because I knew I would get called down to the river.
How do you play in this situation? I followed Caro and when players were playing loose I was playing looser pushing with most of my starting hands, but even then I was getting occasional calls from the short stacks that eventually cut into me.
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Straight
Join Date: Sep 2004
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in this situation i think you have to get lucky and catch som crads... If everyone is passive you can limp a lot of crap from position for +EV because they wont raise you much post flop, and you will have great odds on you flush/str draws... the question is, will they pay you off? But you have to drop the blind stealing for now, wait untill really late game and then push a way!
Buttom line, if its a fast blinded game, get LUCKY! ;p
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FlyingSaucy
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Oct 2004
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Sounds like a dream table to me. !! 
Just get aggressive as hell. Tables like this are extremely easy to be the table captain on. consistently fire out 3-4x bb PFR's, if you get called, play post flop carefully and try to get a read. Beware of flops with face cards. Flops with rags you can take down by just betting them hard. Eventually you'll build up a decent sized stack and make the shorties panic when the tidal wave sized blinds come their way.
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Hubris1
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Straight
Join Date: Dec 2004
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Originally Posted by FlyingSaucerAttack
Sounds like a dream table to me. !!
Just get aggressive as hell. Tables like this are extremely easy to be the table captain on. consistently fire out 3-4x bb PFR's, if you get called, play post flop carefully and try to get a read. Beware of flops with face cards. Flops with rags you can take down by just betting them hard. Eventually you'll build up a decent sized stack and make the shorties panic when the tidal wave sized blinds come their way. |
Trust me, I took the same approach you're describing, I wasn't seeing the flop without a 3xbb+ bet. There was no table captain, because they would call if they hit anything, or if they could hit anything. Sometimes it was nice, most of the time I just wanted their damned blinds, but you'd end up hitting a rag flop, betting into it hard and having a guy with 9 10 get a chunk of it or a nice open ended straight draw.
They played the hands that the random number generator in their heads told them to play, and once they got it in their head they were playing it nothing short of me pushing all in could get it out of their fingers pre flop, and usually not much post flop either.
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FlyingSaucy
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For some reason I thought your original post said "loose tight" not "loose passive." Playing against a table full of rocks is a dream for me. When it's full of fish, that can be surpringly difficult.
So yes, this is the age old problem of playing against a table full of fish.... It's actually fairly hard. The easiest table to beat IMO is one with a good even mix of rocks and fish, with no LA's or TA's. The fish will view you as overly aggressive, and the rocks will view you as overly loose.
I guess my best answer to this question is to maybe tighten up a little bit preflop, and don't worry as much about position. Assuming you're going to be up against 4-5 loose calling stations post flop, now you've got to only play the flop if you hit something decent. Against that many players, your chances of having the best hand against random hands is not all that great. Beyond this most basic strat, I don't know what else to say. It is a struggling point for those of us at the extreme low limits.
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