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ManhattanMan

04-08-2005, 04:48 PM Post subject: Sit & Go Advice...

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Hello! I am new to this board, and I apologize if I ask anything that is asked too often.

I am relatively new to poker in that I've only been playing for about 2-3 months. While I haven't really played that much for money, I came in 4th in a multi-table Freeroll Bet on USA tournament, which gave me enough money in winnings to play money tables, without having to invest any of my own money.

Anyway, I've been trying the low buy in Sit & Gos, and in all three that I have ever done, I've finished in 4th place. I have followed the general advice to stay relatively tight, and that seems to get me into 4th place alright, but then I end up getting low on chips in relation to the blind (and the other three players), and I end up having to risk going all in on a relatively good hand, to avoid having the blinds eat my entire stack. And everytime I have gone all in, I've lost.

Is my problem that I am maybe not playing enough hands later on? For example, I had AJ in the pocket, with 5 players left, I believe. I had about 800 in chips, and the blinds were 40/80. Three of the other players had a pretty significantly higher amount of chips.

Because the other players went all in, pre-flop, I decided to fold the hand. As it turned out, I would have had the highest hand, and probably almost tripled up. However, it seemed like that was just too risky a proposition, to go all in against 2+ players, as AJ seemed like it could be easily dominated.

What do you think? I still don't think my folded the AJ was a bad one, but maybe I was too tight? I'd love any advice regarding this hand in particular, but any general advice would be helpful, too.

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DavSimon

04-08-2005, 05:36 PM

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Folding the A-J was absolutely the correct thing to do....too many new players would have called there. If you are going all In with ace jack you want to be the one doing the pushing, and let them worry about what you have and if they should call. 40/80 seems like and odd blind level (not sure if I've seen that before) however you still have 10 BB left in your stack no reaso to get into a 3-way AI with A-J....if you had 3-4 BB left my answer may be different, depending on how the action went table reads and size of the other stacks.

ManhattanMan

04-08-2005, 06:57 PM

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Thanks for your response. It's actually a bit of an odd Sit & Go. It's a lot lower entry than the ones I saw discussed in Party Poker. Bet on USA has 0.75 + 0.25 entry ones, which I think are great for someone beginning. People also seem to play it pretty seriously, and don't do stupid things like going all in on the first hand (which happens in the Party Poker play money ones all the time).

Anyway, Bet on USA (which may be the same as Prima Poker, I am not sure) has the blinds go from 10/20, to 20/40, to 40/80, and I believe it continues increasing by the same margin above that level. They start you out with 1000 chips, and the blinds go up every 10 hands (every 5 for Turbo, which I have never done and won't). Does that change how I should be going about it?

Thanks for the shameless promotion! I actually did already read most of your guide, and I enjoyed it quite a bit.

One general question: Let's say you have about 10 times the amount of the BB, and you have a situation where there are 4 players left, and you have the smallest stack by a decent margin.

Would hands like KQ or QJ be playable? And what hands would you stay in for, if there was a raise (but only a small one) to your right? I know it's hard to give general rules, since it depends on the other players, too, but a good example would be helpful.

I also had won $17 on a 0.05/0.10 NL cash table, but I ended up losing what I won, so I decided to stop with the NL cash tables for now. I think I am going to stick to limit tables, and NL tournaments. I think my biggest downfall was bad play after the flop. For now, I am going to stick to Sit & Go's because it's a lot more bang for my buck.

aleksandr

04-08-2005, 07:16 PM

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Absolute Poker has some great cheap sngs for beginners. They have a .50 + .10 one and a 1 + .15 one, and you can play alot of decent poker for your buck there. The software is a little bleh, but as long as you're not multiing it should be fine. They also have a 35% reward which is really solid, but I think the minimum depsit is $50.

For your sngs, Tight is fine, but focus on position play, so you can steal pots when it's checked to you. It's tough to play good poker with the people at these levels, so I'd stay pretty tight and try to capitolize on your good hands.

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DavSimon

04-08-2005, 07:57 PM

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One general question: Let's say you have about 10 times the amount of the BB, and you have a situation where there are 4 players left, and you have the smallest stack by a decent margin.

Would hands like KQ or QJ be playable? And what hands would you stay in for, if there was a raise (but only a small one) to your right? I know it's hard to give general rules, since it depends on the other players, too, but a good example would be helpful.

KQ or QJ are very playable, but in that situation (shortstacked on the bubble) they are a push or fold hand. Lets say you are SB...UTG folds...dealer limps for 100 or min raises (weak blind steal) which would be 1/10th your stack I would push all in and pick up the 100/200 from the dealer and the 100 from the BB.
With those hands in that position you can't risk a 3x raise...which a large stack with any ace will call, you have to be aggressive and take the pot. Make them decide to play for a big portion of thier stack or let the 100 go.
I should add that in the above situation just about any 2 card will do....you are not playing your cards anyway you are playing power poker and they will have to have a pretty good hand to call off 1/3 of thier stack.

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ManhattanMan

04-08-2005, 09:10 PM

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Thanks for the article Rippy, I enjoyed it.

DavSimon, thanks for your response. It is definitely helpful. I have one more question: at what point, does it become a push/fold situation? In other words, how many chips do you need in relation to the BB size, where you can make your 3x bets (along the lines of Rippy's advice), as opposed to the situations where you are so low stacked, that you need to change to the strategy you described?

Also, in late stages of a Sit & Go situation, as we've been describing, is it better to wait until you are in better position before pushing all in, so as to get a better look at 1 or 2 people in front?

In other words, if you are pretty shortstacked, and need to make a move, do you wait until you are in good position, and play virtually any hand, or do you try to wait for a decent hand (like KQ) and then do it no matter what? The latter is what I've been doing.

The problem I've encountered in this situation, is that sometimes because you are small stacked, and they have a lot more chips, they'll call you even if you go all in. I guess one of the ways to solve that, is related to one of my questions above - ie. when the time comes where one starts thinking of making a move, to avoid getting so few chips, that you can be more easily bullied around.

Thank you all so much! It's really great to have people to discuss this stuff with, as I only really know two other people who play, and both are learning the game as relatively new players, like me.

Wet_DreaMer

04-09-2005, 03:54 AM

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You havent really given enough details of your play to make a concrete statement (post a hand history if you wish), but you have to remember that like in all forms of poker, SnGs have a level of variance.

For every player with skills relative to yours that has finished 4th three times, there is a player with 2 or even 3 in the money finishes to their name. If your playing good poker id be quite willing to attribute the greater part of those 4ths to bad luck. Play a few more, get some more experience, and the results will come.

Best of luck to you.

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