Shove ATo vs. Limper

**cja33** · 07-05-2012 05:43 AM

Could some of the forum members take a look at this hand:

Villain had a 38/7 range over 120 hands

PokerStars Hand #82874288359: Tournament #583121760, $6.37+$0.63 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2012/07/05 0:41:26 ET
Table '583121760 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: spurscanada (3704 in chips)
Seat 3: cordobes74 (6919 in chips)
Seat 4: sasenac (4567 in chips)
Seat 5: Croco 21 (7718 in chips)
Seat 7: penabh (4092 in chips)
spurscanada: posts the ante 25
cordobes74: posts the ante 25
sasenac: posts the ante 25
Croco 21: posts the ante 25
penabh: posts the ante 25
penabh: posts small blind 150
spurscanada: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to spurscanada [Ad Th]
cordobes74: calls 300
sasenac: folds
Croco 21: folds
penabh: folds
spurscanada: raises 3379 to 3679 and is all-in
cordobes74: calls 3379
*** FLOP *** [7s 8c 5d]
*** TURN *** [7s 8c 5d] [Jh]
*** RIVER *** [7s 8c 5d Jh] [3s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
spurscanada: shows [Ad Th] (high card Ace)
cordobes74: shows [Js 9s] (a pair of Jacks)
cordobes74 collected 7633 from pot
spurscanada finished the tournament in 5th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7633 | Rake 0
Board [7s 8c 5d Jh 3s]
Seat 1: spurscanada (big blind) showed [Ad Th] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 3: cordobes74 showed [Js 9s] and won (7633) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 4: sesenac folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Croco 21 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: penabh (small blind) folded before Flop

I'm 90% sure this is the correct move. Most players (even the crappy ones) are folding here, and that would improve my stack by 25%, but if my fold equity is low, perhaps this is a bad move?

Or, if I'm confident that I'll survive to the bubble, maybe it would be better not to expose myself to the board, and take my chances from there?

**Fielmann** · 07-05-2012 08:48 AM

Hi, welcome to the forums.

With low fold equity this is not a very good move. You get more folds if you wait until the flop.

**Sykedupp** · 07-05-2012 06:39 PM

this is a completely fine hand and checking to see a flop when you're this far ahead of his limping range is a crime.

wp just ul

**OngBonga** · 07-05-2012 07:33 PM

We're bb, shove is fine.

**donkbee** · 07-05-2012 10:38 PM

definitely shove pf

**fjuanl** · 07-06-2012 02:37 AM

Something is wrong with the way you think about poker if you post this after getting all-in as a decent favorite. google results oriented thinking

**Fielmann** · 07-06-2012 08:13 AM

This is a bubble of an SNG tournament. The 'u got it in with the best hand so stfu' approach doesn't work here.

Checking is the best play by far.

**OngBonga** · 07-06-2012 10:29 AM

I'd fold if I wasn't bb, but I'm not having limpdonkeys limp their crap on my bb when I have this stack. It could well be a mistake, but I'm no ICM genius.

**donkbee** · 07-06-2012 08:36 PM

OP doesn't specify that this is the bubble. It DOES look like the bubble of an 18m, but I would still shove given stacks.

**OngBonga** · 07-06-2012 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by donkbee

OP doesn't specify that this is the bubble. It DOES look like the bubble of an 18m, but I would still shove given stacks.

You shove this from the button too? I'm just wondering if I'm right to shove this from the blinds but fold otherwise.

**donkbee** · 07-07-2012 01:39 AM

It's a better shove from the bb, but I prob shove on the bu too.

07-05-2012 05:43 AM #1
cja33 View Profile View Forum Posts Join Date Jul 2012 Posts 1	Shove ATo vs. Limper Could some of the forum members take a look at this hand: Villain had a 38/7 range over 120 hands PokerStars Hand #82874288359: Tournament #583121760, $6.37+$0.63 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2012/07/05 0:41:26 ET Table '583121760 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button Seat 1: spurscanada (3704 in chips) Seat 3: cordobes74 (6919 in chips) Seat 4: sasenac (4567 in chips) Seat 5: Croco 21 (7718 in chips) Seat 7: penabh (4092 in chips) spurscanada: posts the ante 25 cordobes74: posts the ante 25 sasenac: posts the ante 25 Croco 21: posts the ante 25 penabh: posts the ante 25 penabh: posts small blind 150 spurscanada: posts big blind 300 * HOLE CARDS * Dealt to spurscanada [Ad Th] cordobes74: calls 300 sasenac: folds Croco 21: folds penabh: folds spurscanada: raises 3379 to 3679 and is all-in cordobes74: calls 3379 * FLOP * [7s 8c 5d] * TURN * [7s 8c 5d] [Jh] * RIVER * [7s 8c 5d Jh] [3s] * SHOW DOWN * spurscanada: shows [Ad Th] (high card Ace) cordobes74: shows [Js 9s] (a pair of Jacks) cordobes74 collected 7633 from pot spurscanada finished the tournament in 5th place * SUMMARY * Total pot 7633 \| Rake 0 Board [7s 8c 5d Jh 3s] Seat 1: spurscanada (big blind) showed [Ad Th] and lost with high card Ace Seat 3: cordobes74 showed [Js 9s] and won (7633) with a pair of Jacks Seat 4: sesenac folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: Croco 21 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 7: penabh (small blind) folded before Flop I'm 90% sure this is the correct move. Most players (even the crappy ones) are folding here, and that would improve my stack by 25%, but if my fold equity is low, perhaps this is a bad move? Or, if I'm confident that I'll survive to the bubble, maybe it would be better not to expose myself to the board, and take my chances from there?
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07-05-2012 08:48 AM #2
Fielmann View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Aug 2008 Posts 422	Hi, welcome to the forums. With low fold equity this is not a very good move. You get more folds if you wait until the flop.

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07-05-2012 06:39 PM #3
Sykedupp View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Dec 2004 Posts 1,080 Location Vancouver, BC, Canada	this is a completely fine hand and checking to see a flop when you're this far ahead of his limping range is a crime. wp just ul
	Originally Posted by soupie That is the beauty of poker, it doesnt matter how they play, you can always devise the perfect defense and counterpunch hard.
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07-05-2012 07:33 PM #4
OngBonga View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2010 Posts 5,298 Location England	We're bb, shove is fine.
	Originally Posted by wufwugy ongies gonna ong
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07-05-2012 10:38 PM #5
donkbee View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message SERIOUSLY WTF Join Date May 2005 Posts 6,256 Location outer space	definitely shove pf
	Originally Posted by Fnord Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet. blog: http://donkeybrainspoker.com/
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07-06-2012 02:37 AM #6
fjuanl View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2005 Posts 2,646	Something is wrong with the way you think about poker if you post this after getting all-in as a decent favorite. google results oriented thinking

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07-06-2012 08:13 AM #7
Fielmann View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Aug 2008 Posts 422	This is a bubble of an SNG tournament. The 'u got it in with the best hand so stfu' approach doesn't work here. Checking is the best play by far.

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07-06-2012 10:29 AM #8
OngBonga View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2010 Posts 5,298 Location England	I'd fold if I wasn't bb, but I'm not having limpdonkeys limp their crap on my bb when I have this stack. It could well be a mistake, but I'm no ICM genius.
	Originally Posted by wufwugy ongies gonna ong
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07-06-2012 08:36 PM #9
donkbee View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message SERIOUSLY WTF Join Date May 2005 Posts 6,256 Location outer space	OP doesn't specify that this is the bubble. It DOES look like the bubble of an 18m, but I would still shove given stacks.
	Originally Posted by Fnord Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet. blog: http://donkeybrainspoker.com/
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07-06-2012 08:48 PM #10
OngBonga View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2010 Posts 5,298 Location England	Originally Posted by donkbee OP doesn't specify that this is the bubble. It DOES look like the bubble of an 18m, but I would still shove given stacks. You shove this from the button too? I'm just wondering if I'm right to shove this from the blinds but fold otherwise.
	Originally Posted by wufwugy ongies gonna ong
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07-07-2012 01:39 AM #11
donkbee View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message SERIOUSLY WTF Join Date May 2005 Posts 6,256 Location outer space	It's a better shove from the bb, but I prob shove on the bu too.
	Originally Posted by Fnord Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet. blog: http://donkeybrainspoker.com/
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