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doubleup
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06-02-2004, 02:35 PM
Post subject: Screwed up!!
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Kansas City, MO
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Over this nice weekend I played quite a few SnG's and one freeroll on UB. I'll start off with my freeroll. I was playing pretty tight for the first 2 hours. I have about 2700 in chips when I'm moved to a table where the shortest stack is about 8000 (I'm at the same table as 2 of the chip leaders). BB is around 400 or 600 so I'm folding pretty much everything except premium hands. In about a half hour I had build my stack up to 17000 which put me in 13th position. I'm in LP and dealt   Two seats to my left is this crazy maniac (was chip leader at one point) who was down to 1000 chips and built his way up to 27000 by bluffs and hittin cards when called. I raise 2xBB (not a big enough raise?) and there's a few other callers. The board is    It's checked around to me and I bet about half my stack, trying to chase out any straight/flush draws. Everyone folds except the maniac. He checks the turn which is a rag and I go all-in (mistake?) He calls and flips over   He flopped the friggin straight. Did I not play this hand aggressive enough pre-flop? I've just started NL tournaments and wanted to know what the norm raise pre-flop would be with pockets 10's.
I did pretty well in the SnG's but one last night kinda bothers me. Last night I had about 3500 in chips, 2nd chip leader had around 2500, 2 remaining players had around 1500 each and the small stack was around 800. I'm dealt AQo in late position, I raise 3xBB, SB calls and BB (which is the lowest stack) goes all-in. He had been doing this the last few hands so I call and the SB calls. Flop is rags, I check, SB checks. Turn rag, check check. River rag, check check. SB turns over AKo, BB has A10o. BB won the hand with a 10 on the flop. After a few more hands I'm dealt   I have about 1500 (a few bad bluffs) in chips and the blinds are about 60. I raise 3xBB and the BB calls. Flop is 2 clubs, BB checks, I bet 500 he calls. Turn is a 4, which pairs with a 4 on the flop. He goes all-in and I call. River is another 4. He flips over 24o  He made 4 of a kind. I thought 3xBB would scare out any retard playing 24o in UB but I guess I was wrong. At PP I know someone would call that kinda bet, but at UB I was just kinda shocked. If someone could tell me how I played these hands and how my bets size up that'd be great. I'd post hand history, but UB hand history sucks.
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fishstick
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Full House
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Carlsbad, CA
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my 2 chips - hope it helps.
hand 1 (TT)
first off - the other guy should not have been playing those cards in a raised pot, but that's loose/maniac hold em. i have mixed feelings on this hand: on the one hand, your set is very vulnerable with the possible made str and flush draw. on the other hand, you do have 7 outs for a hand that will beat a str or flush. preflop, i think was fine. TT is a hard one to be too aggressive with pre flop. with the possibility of a made str on the flop, i would have probably checked. after seeing the flop, i think i'd hold back and see who was betting and how much, and mentally preparing my self to dump the set. tough hand.
hand 2 (AQo)
it might be overly conservative, but i would really want to protect my 3500 stack, so, i would not call an $800 ($400 - maybe) all in preflop with AQo, especially with 2 others in the hand. you're also calling an all-in without anything other than an overcard draw - not something you should be doing when you're the big stack (if short stacked and getting eaten by the blinds, that's different).
hand 3 (AcKc)
yes, the guy should not have been calling anything with 24o, but why are you betting 500 (a 3rd of your stack) on a flush draw when the blinds are 60? betting the draw is alright, but something more like 150. and why are you calling the all-in on the turn rather than folding? with the two 4's on the board, i'd put him on at least trips (if not a boat), so even if you make your flush on the river, if he's hit the boat, you're dead.
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Fnord
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
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On the TT hand, I would seriously consider pushing on the flop or check/fold (in position) unless I get my boat. That board is amazingly draw-tastic with a made straight already out. If I take it down, it's a potential disaster avoided. There are plenty of hands that might call anyway and if the made straight is out there, oh well I got outs.
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doubleup
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Kansas City, MO
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Hand 2 and hand 3 I totally agree with your comments. I know I should have just sat back and let them all eliminate each other because I had the chip lead. That's normally what I would have done, but in hand 2 he kept going all-in stealin the blinds so I figured it was a bluff and it was . Normally I wouldn't have done this with AQo.
Hand 3, again, I don't know why I did this. On the flop I was goin for a semi-bluff, but was called. I should have made it a little more reasonable. I married the hand which is something I criticize other players for.
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athoughts
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Join Date: Apr 2004
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any NL bet or raise should be 3/4 X the blind, not 2X the blind.
in tournament play, when the blinds raise, so does your bets.
with a strong hand, that can get cracked - like 10,10, 5X the blind wouldnt hurt cause there are so many overcards out there
if i had 10,10 i would probably want to just steal the blinds then take it to the flop, just cause J through A can crack your hand.
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doubleup
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Kansas City, MO
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I guess this hand comes down to your aggressiveness. In this tournament I made it to where I did playing tight and aggressive after the flop. I'm not much of an aggressor pre-flop which is where my weakness may lie. 5x the BB holding 10 10 isn't a position I'd put myself in. KK or AA yes, maybe 3x with JJ, QQ.
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athoughts
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Join Date: Apr 2004
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well not all depending on ur cards, but 3/4 X the blind SHOULD be the BET no matter what ur cards are, if you are thinking about betting, it needs to be 3/4 X the blind.
if u have ever watched poker or read books... its 3/4....
watch the WPT, when the blinds raise, so do thier bets, and its 3/4
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evilevilmatt
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Straight
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Binghamton,NY
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1st hand : You should have stopped betting after the maniac called. A call means he has something. You can only steal with a bet or a raise, not a call. Hope that helps, I just read that somewhere last week and it has helped me a bunch already.
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