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van.dog

05-31-2009, 06:05 PM Post subject: Right play?

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No reads (only 2 hands played) and the villain was desperate to make a move up I think.
Lol... not allowed to post urls... so converted hand history doesn't work..
PokerStars Game #28830855899: Tournament #159907292, Freeroll Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2009/05/31 13:52:14 ET
Table '159907292 18' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: 100% bad dog (1020 in chips)
Seat 2: andrutza09 (1340 in chips)
Seat 3: langerrules (605 in chips)
Seat 4: GENTILE70 (1720 in chips)
Seat 5: dimnv (925 in chips)
Seat 6: LUPESONIA (1270 in chips)
Seat 7: Nails81 (1425 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: Kemper800 (3880 in chips)
Seat 9: Ace Me How (6890 in chips)
langerrules: posts small blind 15
GENTILE70: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ace Me How [Ac Jd]
dimnv: folds
LUPESONIA: folds
Nails81: folds
Kemper800: calls 30
Nails81 is connected
Nails81 has returned
Ace Me How: raises 210 to 240
100% bad dog: folds
andrutza09: folds
langerrules: raises 365 to 605 and is all-in
GENTILE70: folds
Kemper800: folds
Ace Me How: folds
Uncalled bet (365) returned to langerrules
langerrules collected 540 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 540 | Rake 0
Seat 1: 100% bad dog folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: andrutza09 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: langerrules (small blind) collected (540)
Seat 4: GENTILE70 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: dimnv folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: LUPESONIA folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Nails81 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Kemper800 folded before Flop
Seat 9: Ace Me How folded before Flop

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Fielmann

05-31-2009, 10:20 PM

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Fielmann is an unknown quantity at this point

You're getting 1:2,5 pot odds. Considering the circumstances, this warrants a call. Your opponent may be feeling desperate (he shouldn't, yet, but he may, and that's all that matters) and pushing a very wide range.

Fielmann

05-31-2009, 10:23 PM

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Also - isn't your raise a little too big? Why risk this kind of amount on something that's not exactly a premium opening hand, if 150 would probably have the same effect?

bigspenda73

05-31-2009, 10:27 PM

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bigspenda73 will become famous soon enough

Hi, this hh is now in the MULTI TABLE TOURNAMENT FORUM

I did this because YOU WERE PLAYING A MULTI TABLE TOURNAMENT

{from BC}

drmcboy

06-01-2009, 05:15 PM

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given the rest of the play, you should just open fold AJo in most circumstances.

this fold is very poor. With any ace you should lean to calling when you are getting 2/1 pot odds or better. Here you have a strong ace and you are getting almost 3/1 to call.

You are only a 2/1 dog vs the top 5%

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

1,171,215,936 games 0.005 secs 234,243,187,200 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.477% 30.89% 02.59% 336394488 28182582.00 { AJo }
Hand 1: 66.523% 63.93% 02.59% 696265692 28182582.00 { 88+, AJs+, KQs, AKo }

I would guess he's shoving more like 25%:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

5,712,246,144 games 0.203 secs 28,139,143,566 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 57.175% 54.29% 02.88% 3076275219 163242193.50 { AJo }
Hand 1: 42.825% 39.94% 02.88% 2263254330 163242193.50 { 66+, A2s+, K6s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, A7o+, K9o+, QTo+, JTo }

So you're often ahead and you are getting a big price from the pot.

Do some research with poker stove, read posts about pot odds and the stickies here and in the BC, and read HOH 1.

van.dog

06-01-2009, 07:17 PM

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Thanks for the responses. I appreciate the help in improving my game.
As an addendum, I'd like to add that I was following the advice that aokrongly gave in http://www.flopturnriver.com/aokrong...ing-Hands.html.

Does anyone know of a pokerstove-like application for Macintosh?

Thanks,

drmcboy

06-01-2009, 08:04 PM

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well, it's been a while so i read it.

Quote:

AJ, KQ, QJ, call preflop if it's unraised. FOLD preflop if it's raised.

I was not able to see where he recommended making an 8x BB raise with any hand, let alone AJ.

van.dog

06-01-2009, 08:18 PM

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I originally posted this in the beginners circle... so please have patience with me.
I may be fundamentally misunderstanding the acronyms.
I thought bb = big blind and BB=big bet (2xbb). Am I incorrect?

Edit: yup i'm wrong about the size of bets i should be using. Oops.

dthorne04

06-29-2009, 12:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by parrix

i think its right play but preflop is how the lotery for me in poker

and you need to snap call due to your opening raise size. no need to open for 8x there after a limper. folding here is lighting money on fire, ffs.

derp

baudib

06-29-2009, 04:52 AM

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This is the worst preflop play evar.

Playing big pots at small stakes.

revolvingiris

07-02-2009, 09:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by baudib

This is the worst preflop play evar.

Quote:

Originally Posted by van.dog

Edit: yup i'm wrong about the size of bets i should be using. Oops.

baudib

07-03-2009, 05:14 AM

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Sorry, I didn't realize this was basically a beginner post. But I also missed that this was a FRIGGIN FREEROLL! I.e. he could be shoving anything and his range is heavily weighted toward Ax hands that you totally dominate.

You should lean toward calling with almost any hand (not that you should be raising 8xBB over 1 limper very often) when you're getting almost 3-1 odds for like 1/10th of your stack.

Live and learn.

lolzzz_321

07-03-2009, 12:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by van.dog

As an addendum, I'd like to add that I was following the advice that aokrongly gave in http://www.flopturnriver.com/aokrong...ing-Hands.html.

Quote:

Originally Posted by van.dog

Does anyone know of a pokerstove-like application for Macintosh?

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