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ilikeaces86
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08-20-2005, 11:51 AM
Post subject: Quest to Play 1000 200+15 PP sngs
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4-of-a-Kind
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I am going to partake on a quest to play 1000 200+15 PP sngs. The reason I am partaking on this quest is to motivate myself to play more often and too get a good measure of the results I can expect on the 200+15s. I will be updating my stats in this thread from time and you guys can comment in here as well. I will be running them in sets of 4-8 tables at a time.
# Played : 209
Buy in +fee: $44,935.00
Amount won: $65,200.00
Net Amount: $20,265.00
ROI: 45.1%
ITM: 46.4%
Avg Finish 4.22
Finish distribution:
1st Place- 32
2nd place- 36
3rd place- 29
P.S Yes I know Im copying Zeejustin on this one but hey I think it will be fun
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ilikeaces86
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As you can see Im running pretty good right now but I hope I can end up with at least a 15% ROI by the end of the 1000
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vqc
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Straight Flush
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PUlling the good ole zee justin are ya?
Good luck man, you kno wat to do with the HHs.
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Phlegm
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Straight
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If I didn't have to go to school, I'd do this right along with you :P. GL man
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Goal for 2005: $30k
So far: $31k
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a500lbgorilla
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JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
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Do it in 10 days... THat'll be real fun.
-'rilla
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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vqc
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Straight Flush
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How long do you think it will take you, aces?
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ilikeaces86
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by vqchuang
How long do you think it will take you, aces?
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No idea, the thing is I am so lazy and only play when I am in the mood. Ideally 2weeks.
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Andy Holt
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Wowsers, 2 weeks? That's like, 70 a day! If you're 8-tabling at the 200 level, can I have your autograph?
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ilikeaces86
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Originally Posted by AndyHolt
Wowsers, 2 weeks? That's like, 70 a day! If you're 8-tabling at the 200 level, can I have your autograph?
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ROFL I suck I just know perfect ICM math when the blinds get big.
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vqc
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perfect ICM math eh.
I got me one of those.
SHIP THOSE HHs.
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Legendash
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Full House
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ICM math?
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"[This theory] is only useful for helping to calculate your luck odds. If you have a good read that you have a numerical advantage against your opponent, that your hand is "luckier"..."
Copyright, Youngdro 2007.
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Straight
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Interesting, I'm also very lazy and Im thinking of doing something like this aswell to motivate myself
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ilikeaces86
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4-of-a-Kind
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Im on the tailend of a 13 hour all nigh session in which I ran aweful and after 13 hours of 4- tabling sngs was up a grand total of 300 bucks. I hate running bad  At least I knocked off some sngs from my total.
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vqc
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Straight Flush
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is your ROI positive?
Yes?
Ok then =D.
23 bucks an hour isnt something to sneeze at.
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Trikflow77
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Full House
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how is up 300 bucks running bad??????? I had a 13 OOTM streak yesterday and ended up down 4 buyins for the day. It is not running good but winning is much better than losing your arse. And LOL on the guy that said "ICM?"
aces did you study icm math using eastbays tool or tinker on your own. I have been gong back and doing the math is some of my sngs and have been about 85 percent right according to icm..... im not there yet but close
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Phlegm
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Straight
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trik what levels are you playing nowadays?
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Goal for 2005: $30k
So far: $31k
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Trikflow77
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Full House
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8 tablin 55's movin to the 109's soon....
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ilikeaces86
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hows your ROI and ITM?
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Trikflow77
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Full House
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running well 22% 39% over 1300 sngs or so. I play for a living so I am not moving up until i have 200 buy ins for the 109's which im really close to having. I would have it and more but i put a fat down payment on a 02 zo6 vette. 
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vqc
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vettes are ridiculously sexy.
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ilikeaces86
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# Played: 309
Buy in +Fee: $66,435
Amount Won: $90,000
Net Amount: $23,565
ROI: 35.47%
ITM: 43.04%
Avg Finish 4.34
Finish distribution
1st: 44
2nd: 52
3rd:37
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ilikeaces86
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4-of-a-Kind
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had a 15 buy in downswing then worked it back up still trucking along
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vqc
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Straight Flush
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ur ROI is ridiculously high.
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Aces
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Full House
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Aces(and other succesful SNG multi-tablers) -
Do you simply buy into the first x games you can, or do you space it out so you're not hitting the same levels at all tables at the same time? I'd love to see somebody write a sticky on multitabling vs. one at a time for SNGs. I still haven't got the hang of it, though I haven't tried it too much yet. I depend on my reads and can't imagine taking notes on 4-8 tables at a time. I do multitable ring games reasonably well.
How long did it take to succesfully(again, for anyone) multitable?
(BTW, awesome stats so far aces  )
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vqc
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Straight Flush
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wat I used to do
start 2 or 3 up all at the same time. Bubble was manageable with 3 tables but not 4.
wat i do now (thank u rilla)
start up 2
wait till it gets to 25/50
start up another 2
bubble is now manageable becuase they are not at the same time.
i assume that if you are going to add more than 4 tables
you could
start up 3 instead of 2
or
start up 4 instead of 3
multitabling isnt that hard if youve done the same thing over and over and over and over again.
and by that i mean getting really good at folding =D.
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gabe
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i like starting them at the same time. if all are on the same level i dont make as many mistakes.
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Originally Posted by gabe
i like starting them at the same time. if all are on the same level i dont make as many mistakes.
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Me too. I find that if I am on the bubble in two and early in 2, I may end up pushing all in with A9 on the wrong table. 
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Aces
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Full House
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I assume you guys play fairly straightforward(i.e. somewhat less read-dependent) when multitabling? When I'm not tilting, I'm pretty good about folding alot of hands, so that shouldn't be a problem.
What kind of drop-off(if any) do you find in your ROI?
I'm mostly one-tabling PP 50+5 and 100+9 now. I've messed around with 2-3 tables at the PS 5+.50 without much luck(starting them at the same time). I'm tempted to try 2 tabling the PP 20+2 since I'm more comfortable with that blind structure for whatever reason, and run them at 20-25 minute intervals.
And OK laugh at me, but seriously what is ICM ?
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CrunchyNuts
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ICM is a heuristic for determining $EV in a tourney setting. Put simply, it models each chip as a lottery ticket to win, and your $EV in a situation is determined by marching the tree of chances to win each place.
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vqc
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Straight Flush
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its a way to equate chip stack to money equity.
this is an old ICM post that I did.
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...t=watch+videos
it was a big debate =D.
How many PP SNGs have u played and are you a winning player at the SNGs? (directed towards aces)
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storm75m
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Flush
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by CrunchyNuts
ICM is a heuristic for determining $EV in a tourney setting. Put simply, it models each chip as a lottery ticket to win, and your $EV in a situation is determined by marching the tree of chances to win each place.
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I would like more info on this as well.... I know you tried to "put it simply", but I'm picturing a bunch or trees that are marching with lottery tickets... No prob, I'll try a forum search...
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Lack of Discipline and Over-Confidence... The root of all poker evil.
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vqc
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Straight Flush
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ok hows this
with x players left
you have y chips
and those y chips equate a z% of the prize money.
That is ICM.
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CrunchyNuts
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Perhaps I should have said "put it tersely", it's not a simple concept unless you're as much of a math nerd as I am. But I don't want to turn ace's thread into the ICM thread, I might post an explanation with examples later, and try to sum up why I think VQ likes it too much for an encore.
(edit - "That is ICM." Well, sorta. That's a very rough approximation of it.)
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vqc
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Straight Flush
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We can hijack aces' thread
I give you permission! =D
Que? (for the encore part)
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Originally Posted by CrunchyNuts
and try to sum up why I think VQ likes it too much for an encore.
(edit - "That is ICM." Well, sorta. That's a very rough approximation of it.)
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I think its close enough.
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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Is PP the only place you can get that much 200 SNG action? Most of the day you couldn't play 4 200 SNSs at the same time at PS, and 4 is the max I think.
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Aces
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Full House
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by vqchuang
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I'd estimate I've played ~ 2K PP SNGs (from 5-100. mostly 50 now with some 100 and 20 thrown in). My online + live BR is about 4.6K(profit), which is how I've measured my success. I don't have my ROI - one of my goals is to track results a little better. I've gotten all my SNG results from PS(much smaller sample). I'm hoping PP will be able to give me the same thing. The last few times I've checked stats on poker prophecy my "win"(ITM) % was about 38-39%, which put me in the second hightest category(my results have improved greatly in the last 3 months), but even before then I was a winning player.
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PokerPatNEU
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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
ROFL I suck I just know perfect ICM math when the blinds get big.
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I just read all the stuff vq linked on ICM...It seems interesting. Do you really do these calculations for every call/raise/fold/check opportunity ilikeaces?
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vqc
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Straight Flush
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no he just plays enough to kno approximately when it is coorect to push.
me on the other hand.
I make charts =).
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ilikeaces86
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4-of-a-Kind
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by drmcboy
Is PP the only place you can get that much 200 SNG action? Most of the day you couldn't play 4 200 SNSs at the same time at PS, and 4 is the max I think.
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On PP they run like every 3 minutes
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a500lbgorilla
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JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
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Any time I ever think that I may never be able to win money at poker I think of ilikeaces and how much of a moron he is and how well he's doing.
It brings me hope. 
-'rilla
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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ilikeaces86
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
Any time I ever think that I may never be able to win money at poker I think of ilikeaces and how much of a moron he is and how well he's doing.
It brings me hope.
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FU pay me
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Alibi
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hey hey no solicitation
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TrapperAB: you know, I really should have named myself after the mandibles of a homeless person
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ilikeaces86
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4-of-a-Kind
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Finally played my 1000th 200+15 SNG on PP.
ITM: 37%
ROI: measly............ 7%
Total profit: Barely over 15k.
Conclusion: Im not as good as I thought I was, and I think I will make more 8 tabling the 109s then 4 tabling the 215s.
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kizzik
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
Finally played my 1000th 200+15 SNG on PP.
Total profit: Barely over 15k.
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15K in a week. I can see how you'd be upset about that. 
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ilikeaces86
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4-of-a-Kind
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I thought I made this thread like a month ago?
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kizzik
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
I thought I made this thread like a month ago?
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Sorry. My bad. I read the days, not the months. I still wouldn't knock back 15K in a month, though.
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daluchy
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Originally Posted by vqchuang
no he just plays enough to kno approximately when it is coorect to push.
me on the other hand.
I make charts =).
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another ICM thread hijack
what kind of charts? just curious how you chart something out like ICM where the variables are so, well, varied.
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pulling a courtiebee pŏŏl-ĭng ā kôrt-ē-bē (verb phrase):
1. overvaluing mid pocket pairs
2. knowing you should fold, but donkishly calling or raising anyway
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