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    Default QQ first levels...

    First hand of a sitNgo... $10 buy in
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    everybody folds, a guy from MP raises 3,5xBB, folds..., I was at CO and re-raised to 8xBB!
    He pushed, should I call?

    (2)
    I was at UTG+1:
    folds... I raised to 4xBB, everybody folds, SB goes all in...
    Should I push??
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    yes and yes. I would never fold QQ early pre flop without a read from previous play or a lot scarier action - like if you raise, get called, then re raised, THEN someone shoves, or two people move in. And even there it's close.

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    sorry... I didn't put stacks and level because it was first hand... so everyone with 1,5K and level one.
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    don't U think that when a player goes all in in that scenary he probably has AA, KK, QQ, AK, AQs, JJ or (and I dont think its possible) TT...
    so, doenst it makes the call -EV?

    at the second one he porbably cold has worst hands; but I don't think so!!
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    And if my hand was AK... shold I make the call either?
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    equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
    Hand 1: 48.3583 % 46.83% 01.53% { QQ }
    Hand 2: 51.6417 % 50.12% 01.53% { JJ+, AQs+, AKo }
    I think your ranges are a little tight, especially for the second hand you posted, but no, it's not -EV.
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    All you can eat, baby.

    You'd be shocked at the hands you will see here. Yes, sometimes it is AA or even KK (and sorry if it was!), but sometimes it's 22.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ABCofPKR
    don't U think that when a player goes all in in that scenary he probably has AA, KK, QQ, AK, AQs, JJ or (and I dont think its possible) TT...
    so, doenst it makes the call -EV?
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            	equity (%)  	win (%)	tie (%) 
    Hand  1:	48.3583 %  	46.83% 	01.53%      { QQ }
    Hand  2:	51.6417 %  	50.12% 	01.53%      { JJ+, AQs+, AKo }
    When he pushes there is 13x BB or 260 chips in the pot (30 from the blinds, 70 from opp and 160 from you), so you need to call 1340 to see a pot of 1690 or 1.26 to 1, and 1.07 to 1 against to win - seems like a good bet to me. Actually you need to take ICM into account $EV but at this stage it won't be that far off chip EV.

    Quote Originally Posted by ABCofPKR
    at the second one he porbably cold has worst hands; but I don't think so!!
    As drmcboy said, at a $11 SNG you'll see all sorts of terrible hands pushing over your raise, I am almost never folding QQ preflop. You'll see smaller pocket pairs, Ax, KQ, sometimes two random cards doing this. The only hands you're fearing are AA and KK and at a $11 you see enough rubbish pushing over to make calling here very worthwhile.

    Quote Originally Posted by ABCofPKR
    And if my hand was AK... shold I make the call either?
    This is more interesting. In the first one I would probably have just flat called the 3.5x BB raise from MP with AK and seen a flop with position over opp. For the second unless I had a read that the pusher was a donkey, I would fold - although they could have something AT-AQ or KQ, the risk of them having a pocket pair leaving us a 45/55 underdog is too great IMO.
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    Ok! Thank U! Now I have no doubt... QQ PF (I'm all in baby) :0)
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    Reads/ player notes help here. I wouldn't go so far as to say it is all you can eat baby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyingSaucy
    Reads/ player notes help here. I wouldn't go so far as to say it is all you can eat baby.
    1st hand, no reads, $10 buyin, they pushed over your raise. Instacall.


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    SORRY!! I KNOW IT MEANS NOTHING BUT I MUST POST IT!!!!

    PokerStars Game #7489078568: Tournament #38312508, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/12/17 - 20:01:26 (ET)
    Table '38312508 2' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: Jake257 (1500 in chips)
    Seat 2: useumall (1490 in chips)
    Seat 3: witerussian (1080 in chips)
    Seat 4: Teeumup (1500 in chips)
    Seat 5: timbertwo (1500 in chips)
    Seat 6: Leonel87 (1930 in chips)
    Seat 7: dgrims21 (1500 in chips)
    Seat 8: peppele (1500 in chips)
    Seat 9: ABC1984 (1500 in chips)
    witerussian: posts small blind 10
    Teeumup: posts big blind 20
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to ABC1984 [Qh Qs]
    timbertwo: calls 20
    Leonel87: folds
    dgrims21: folds
    peppele: folds
    ABC1984: raises 60 to 80
    Jake257: folds
    useumall: raises 1410 to 1490 and is all-in
    witerussian: folds
    Teeumup: folds
    timbertwo: folds
    ABC1984: calls 1410
    *** FLOP *** [7d Td Kh]
    *** TURN *** [7d Td Kh] [Kc]
    *** RIVER *** [7d Td Kh Kc] [6c]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    ABC1984: shows [Qh Qs] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
    useumall: shows [Ac As] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
    useumall collected 3030 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 3030 | Rake 0
    Board [7d Td Kh Kc 6c]
    Seat 1: Jake257 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: useumall (button) showed [Ac As] and won (3030) with two pair, Aces and Kings
    Seat 3: witerussian (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 4: Teeumup (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 5: timbertwo folded before Flop
    Seat 6: Leonel87 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: dgrims21 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: peppele folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: ABC1984 showed [Qh Qs] and lost with two pair, Kings and Queens
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    Usually when they raise so big it is not AA/KK. Most donks will either minre-raise with AA/KK or just flat call trying to stack you on the flop.

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