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Local_Echo
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03-24-2007, 04:49 AM
Post subject: QQ, another tough spot
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No reads on the villain. This may be completely standard, but....
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t25/t50
8 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: t2385
UTG+1: t1230
MP1: t390
Hero: t1530
CO: t1350
Button: t1785
SB: t2600
BB: t2230
Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is MP2 with Q  Q 
UTG calls t50 (pot was t75), UTG+1 raises to t200, MP1 folds, Hero raises to t500, 5 folds, UTG+1 raises all-in t1230, Hero calls t730 (pot was t1855).
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taipan168
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Standard. You can also just shove over the limp and the raise, that would be fine too.
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TLR
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It is a tough spot, in low buy ins I call this, in higher buy ins there is very little chance you are ahead, you are either flipping or behind.
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i call this unless i have a spectacular read.
don't mean to hijack your thread, but here's a somewhat similar hand that i think is a standard fold.
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Originally Posted by the hand
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 5: cRu84 ( 4,590 )
Seat 8: pbk12 ( 1,740 )
Seat 4: Hero ( 2,020 )
Seat 6: dougthehead2 ( 1,750 )
Seat 2: rotzi1 ( 1,760 )
Seat 10: bise1979 ( 2,760 )
Seat 9: paps1234 ( 1,820 )
Seat 3: jiboia ( 3,560 )
Trny: ##### Level: 2
Blinds(30/60)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qs Qh ]
paps1234 folds.
bise1979 calls [60]
rotzi1 raises [240]
jiboia folds.
Hero raises [540]
cRu84 folds.
dougthehead2 folds.
pbk12 folds.
bise1979 is all-In.
rotzi1 is all-In.
Hero folds.
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Local_Echo
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That's another tough one, but I'd agree with your move here.
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fasin8ing
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Two limps, I am shoving...
One limp one raise I am shoving.
First to act, I am raising.
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dsaxton
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Originally Posted by fasin8ing
Two limps, I am shoving...
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You shove for 1.5K after two people limp at 25/50?
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cfought32
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what would you all suggest if the hero had Jacks intead of queens. I am thinking I might lay it down? I am interested in your thoughts.
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taipan168
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Originally Posted by cfought32
what would you all suggest if the hero had Jacks intead of queens. I am thinking I might lay it down? I am interested in your thoughts.
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In the OP's hand, whether to fold or shove over is read-dependent. If opp was LAggy I shove over, if they've been tight I fold. Readless I probably shove it though.
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Local_Echo
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It was still early on in the tournament and I had no read on the villain. He did turn over KK here and sent me to the rail, but I still think it was a good move. More often than not, at these stakes, they have something I can beat.
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Stagon
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Originally Posted by Local_Echo
It was still early on in the tournament...
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As a noob I would like to ask if a preflop push with any holding is sensible ( I guess it wasn´t a rebuy tourney or something) so early. Is this one of those long run things? Because I wouldn´t go AI with anything not close to the nuts so early. In this case, is QQ so much of a fav against most other legitimate holdings that it is worth risking the whole tourney with it?
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Local_Echo
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Originally Posted by Stagon
As a noob I would like to ask if a preflop push with any holding is sensible ( I guess it wasn´t a rebuy tourney or something) so early. Is this one of those long run things? Because I wouldn´t go AI with anything not close to the nuts so early. In this case, is QQ so much of a fav against most other legitimate holdings that it is worth risking the whole tourney with it?
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This was a 9-man SNG, no rebuys or anything.... At these stakes ($11) he could've easily had something much worse. There are people that are that bad at these stakes. So, it's not so much a long run thing, I think, it's more of a quality of players issue.
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GatorJH
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Originally Posted by Local_Echo
There are people that are that bad at these stakes. So, it's not so much a long run thing, I think, it's more of a quality of players issue.
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That is why this was a good play. At higher levels I would agree that you may lay this down, but at the $11's I am going to the rail with QQ versus any hand all day.
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Sprayed
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I like TLR's line again. I would comment, but I would just be repeating what he said.
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