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taipan168
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03-09-2010, 11:25 AM
Post subject: QQ, 19/14/11.0 player 3-bets preflop ($27)
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As the title says, opp's stats were 19/14/11.0 from previous games (about 120 hands). What's your move here?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 27 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP1 (t1455)
Hero (MP2) (t1445)
MP3 (t1900)
CO (t1470)
Button (t1550)
SB (t1675)
BB (t1210)
UTG (t1490)
UTG+1 (t1305)
Hero's M: 32.11
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q , Q
3 folds, Hero bets t120, MP3 raises to t330, 4 folds, Hero ????
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Nakamura
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I was thinking with an AF of 11 I just ship this PF. The obvious problem is you may well be folding hands like TT or JJ that you may stack on an under-card flop.
This may boil down to the maths and I don't have time now to do it, but shoving or calling would likely depend on his calling range to your shove. When he calls your shove it seems likely you will have <50% of the equity. So I suspect the best course of action is actually to call PF and hope for a flop without a A or K.
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
359,583,840 games 0.391 secs 919,651,764 games/sec
Board:
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.634% 51.06% 01.58% 183588540 5675268.00 { JJ+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 47.366% 45.79% 01.58% 164644764 5675268.00 { QQ }
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Fielmann
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nakamura
I was thinking with an AF of 11 I just ship this PF.
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Why should we want to eliminate post-flop play when villain's post-flop tendencies are so exploitable?
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Nakamura
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fielmann
Why should we want to eliminate post-flop play when villain's post-flop tendencies are so exploitable?
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It was my first thought, but further on in the thread I advocate calling.
Part of the issue in this hand is if an A or a K flops we have no idea where we stand. By having position on Hero he can put Hero's entire stack at risk on an A or K high flop w/o having to commit his stack.
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baudib
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What's his 3-bet percentage?
I think I call, I'd fold JJ. Shipping is fine too, but is he really going to bluff an A-high board?
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Playing big pots at small stakes.
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TLR
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I would re raise, with position I would probably call but OOP I prefer to raise
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Fielmann
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TLR
I would re raise, with position I would probably call but OOP I prefer to raise
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So IP you'd play a medium-sized pot against a medium-strong range, but OOP you'd play a big pot against a strong range for chance to fold out some hands you beat?
Why?
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TLR
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I am much more comfortable playing post flop in position, so OOP I am perfectly fine with taking the 500 chips in the pot, even if it means folding hands that I am ahead of
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drmcboy
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add 3 bet % to HUD? I have never been a big believer in AF regardless, but even if you like it there is no question 3 bet and steal % should be on the HUD before it, esp in short stack donkaments where post flop is almost always going to be dictated by stack sizes rather than general player habits. that is of course some what true with the pre flop numbers but not to same degree.
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taipan168
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OK, good suggestions to add 3 bet % to HUD, hadn't occurred to me before but it makes a lot of sense.
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Numbr2intheWorld
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I feel like you shove here and feel happy about it. Maybe i play too much cash though
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