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Old 09-30-2005, 10:32 PM     Post subject: pp vs. the blinds #1 (permalink)  
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Your play?? I had pushed/ stole blinds on 2 of the previous 5 orbits and had had not shown a hand in awhile. Is this an easy push, or just raise 3x BB and go from there?

150/300 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 16207941) - Fri Sep 30 17:20:50 EDT 2005
Table Table 35037 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: stevej603 (1815)
Seat 2: azMavrick (1170)
Seat 4: jaysnow (160)
Seat 7: wildtrout191 (1395)
Seat 9: badandy519 (1425)
Seat 10: enade (2035)
enade posts small blind (75)
stevej603 posts big blind (150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to badandy519 [ 9h, 9c ]
azMavrick folds.
jaysnow folds.
wildtrout191 folds.
badandy519 ????
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Old 09-30-2005, 10:41 PM #2 (permalink)  
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easy push.
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Old 09-30-2005, 11:05 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Old 09-30-2005, 11:07 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Push 7 or better? or push any made hand (22+)?
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Old 09-30-2005, 11:18 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Push and smile. If you get called, minimize the screen and go push A7s in a similar position on another sng. Come back and see if you busted.

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Old 10-01-2005, 01:03 AM #6 (permalink)  
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I raise to about 450 here. I dont see a need to gamble all your chips with 99 to pick up 225 in chips, and its enough to fold most hands that they would fold to an all-in, and if they call with overs you have an option to stop-n-go the flop, not letting them see all 5 cards to beat you.

The way I look at it, if they have a pair higher than 99, they're going to call your all-in anyway, but if they have a holding such as AK, AQ, AJ, KQ, etc. you limit them by only seeing 3 cards.
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Old 10-01-2005, 01:12 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Nugen..what if they have AK and smell weakness in your bet (looks like a steal) and raise you AI. Now you are likely calling anyways and taking a flip.

Much more Folding equity in pushing...they may not want to risk that many chips on an unmade hand, but would be willing to push against what looks like a steal.

Put your chips at risk on your own terms, Push.

If you come across a bigger pair or someone with two overs...you have outs...sometimes it just happens that way.

so Push push push
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Nugen..what if they have AK and smell weakness in your bet (looks like a steal) and raise you AI. Now you are likely calling anyways and taking a flip.

Much more Folding equity in pushing...they may not want to risk that many chips on an unmade hand, but would be willing to push against what looks like a steal.

Put your chips at risk on your own terms, Push.

If you come across a bigger pair or someone with two overs...you have outs...sometimes it just happens that way.

so Push push push
I dont know, I think thats debatable. To me, a raise is scarier than an AI from the button shorthanded.
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Old 10-01-2005, 02:10 AM #9 (permalink)  
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would you fold to a reraise that would put you all in?
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Old 10-01-2005, 02:56 AM #10 (permalink)  
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 raise (and go back for the rest) or push both good, probably do whatever you think is more likely to get a fold.
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would you fold to a reraise that would put you all in?
I would call, but in this situation I dont think folding equity is as important as getting action with your 99.
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Old 10-01-2005, 04:02 AM #12 (permalink)  
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From a pure ICM standpoint it is an obvious push, the numbers give us that ..

I guess what I am saying is that if you push you are either..

Called and win
called and lose
win blinds

If you bet...
reraised all in and call and win
reraised all in and call and lose
reraised all in and fold (unlikely to fold in this situation of course)
win blinds
be called and be raised all in on the flop and call and win
be called and be raised all in on the flop and call and lose
(the board could give them some action or they believe you will fold to pressure or you may flop some good cards as well)
be called and checked to on the flop where you push and they fold
be called and checked to on the flop where you push and are called and lose
be called and checked to on the flop where you push and called and win
check/check (either by stupidity, knowing you are beat, or some weird uneeded trap play.)

There are other ways it could go down, but I guess I am just trying to say that if you push..you eliminate so many other variables.

If you want action...sure then raise. But in doing so you are opening yourself up for more ways to lose.

Plus look at the stacks...they would be calling most of their stacks to a push..something most people wouldn't like doing with a coinflip. And if they had a monster they would be playing this hand anyways.
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Old 10-01-2005, 06:54 AM #13 (permalink)  
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push all day, all night. The shorties will probably call. Only one person can hurt you so there's not much risk.
I usually push UTG with 99 down to 5-handed or so.
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Old 10-01-2005, 06:56 AM #14 (permalink)  
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badandy519 raises (1425) to 1425
badandy519 is all-In.
enade calls (1350)
stevej603 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $3000 with badandy519
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5h, Kc, Qd ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 7s ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Ad ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 3000 |
Board: [ 5h Kc Qd 7s Ad ]
stevej603 balance 1665, lost 150 (folded)
azMavrick balance 1170, didn't bet (folded)
jaysnow balance 160, didn't bet (folded)
wildtrout191 balance 1395, didn't bet (folded)
badandy519 balance 0, lost 1425 [ 9h 9c ] [ a pair of nines -- Ad,Kc,Qd,9h,9c ]
enade balance 3610, bet 1425, collected 3000, net +1575 [ As Jh ] [ a pair of aces -- As,Ad,Kc,Qd,Jh ]


guess the stop and go would have been best here
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Old 10-01-2005, 06:56 AM #15 (permalink)  
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sorry misinterpreted the stack sizes there. still doesn't matter. I don't think you're getting called very often here and you're probably a slight favorite over the hands that will call.
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Old 10-01-2005, 07:36 PM #16 (permalink)  
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just because it didn't work out doesn't mean it is a bad move

remember that
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Old 10-01-2005, 08:45 PM #17 (permalink)  
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guess the stop and go would have been best here
its not possible to stop and go here.
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