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Old 09-30-2005, 08:36 PM     Post subject: Please take the time to read this post. #1 (permalink)  
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If it is folded to you these are the deciding factors for pushing

In order of importance
1) Your stack size
2) Number of players still in the tournament
3) Number of Players left to act
4) The other player's calling ranges
5) Your cards

If you have a question about push folding, please please dont look at the results and then ask based off of that.

Your question on push folding should be governed first by answering the questions above, and asking the forum if your answers to the questions above were the correct ones in the said situation.

For instance
Hand Number: 229,016,668
Table Number: 2,944,550
Event Name: Sit & Go Table Korshak (#2074209)SNHB
Game: No Limit Hold 'em
Level V: 100/200 Blinds (25 Minimum Chip)
Average Stack: 5,000 (1,000 starting chips)
Remaining Players: 2 (10 started)
Seat 5 : kcknockuout starts with 8,625
Seat 6 : thirteen starts with 1,375
Seat 5 : kcknockuout has the dealer button
>>>DEALING HOLE CARDS<<<
thirteen dealt down Js As
kcknockuout posts the small blind 100
thirteen posts the big blind 200
kcknockuout calls 100
thirteen raises 1,175 to 1,375 and is all-in

1) You have less than 10xBB. What does this mean? It means that you are in push or fold mode and should generally only consider pushing or going all in.
2) You are heads up. What does this mean? It means that you should tend to be more aggressive
3) It is headsup so there is only one more person that has cards. What does this mean? It means that you only have to worry about one person!
4) What is his calling range? Is he super tight? Is he super loose? Is he rilla?
5)You have AJ in this sitation. What does this mean?

After answering these quetions you can come up with a suitable answer for the pushing situation. Lets say in this situation you say " I can push" becuase of 1 2 3 4 and 5.

What if after you answer the 5 quetions you cant come up with a good conclusion on whether or not to push, then you ask the forum. By aswering these questions first, it makes you think about the process as opposed to just memmorizing, Push this, fold that, fuck this, fuck that.

I hope this post makes some sense.
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Old 09-30-2005, 08:51 PM #2 (permalink)  
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payout structure counts too! doesn't really apply in your example, but it usually does.
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Old 09-30-2005, 08:52 PM #3 (permalink)  
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i assumed everyone played 50 30 20, but yes its different for multitable SNGs. It goes somehwere on that list, but, as to where, I dont know.
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Old 09-30-2005, 10:53 PM #4 (permalink)  
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That's a part of #2.
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Old 10-01-2005, 04:01 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Down almost 7-1 I'm pushing literally any two cards.
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Old 10-01-2005, 04:07 AM #6 (permalink)  
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heres a hint
depending on the size of hte blinds, you should be pushing any 2 regardless.
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Old 10-01-2005, 04:15 AM #7 (permalink)  
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"READ THIS POST"

Im just posting to say that I haven't read this post becuase of the title.

Maybe if you said "You should highly consider reading this post." or "Would you please do yourself a favor and read this post?" I woulda read it.

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Old 10-01-2005, 04:30 AM #8 (permalink)  
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ill change the title

do u agree with what I said?
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Old 10-01-2005, 04:42 AM #9 (permalink)  
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vqchuang (TheGrindHer)
ill change the title

do u agree with what I said?
Number 2 should really be number 5.

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Old 10-01-2005, 06:10 AM #10 (permalink)  
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You mean to say you don't consider # of players left in tourney much? Thought you were a big fan of bubble agression...
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Old 10-01-2005, 03:32 PM #11 (permalink)  
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You mean to say you don't consider # of players left in tourney much? Thought you were a big fan of bubble agression...
Bleh, the whole list is gay. They all run so close in consideration that I've never assigned value to them.

It's like IF it's the bubble, and you're stack is 10 bets, and there are 3 players left, and they call with xx+, Then you can push with this.

I don't think there is an order of importance.

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Old 10-01-2005, 08:32 PM #12 (permalink)  
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The lower your stack size, the less important the rest of the factors are.

The fewer people there are after you, the more you can get away with, the less mistakes you can make based on calling ranges.

I think theres a difference...
but o well.
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Old 10-01-2005, 09:31 PM #13 (permalink)  
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vqchuang (TheGrindHer)
The lower your stack size, the less important the rest of the factors are.

The fewer people there are after you, the more you can get away with, the less mistakes you can make based on calling ranges.

I think theres a difference...
but o well.
Well, not one I've taken the time to think about.

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Old 10-02-2005, 12:00 AM #14 (permalink)  
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i agree with rilla, they all kind of go together, i don't think they should be put into some certain order. another thing you forgot to mention is the stack size of your opponents is important too
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Old 10-02-2005, 04:37 PM #16 (permalink)  
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Stack size is blind size.

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Old 10-02-2005, 04:48 PM #17 (permalink)  
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Stack size is blind size
VQ Wrote "Your stack size ". If you have a stack of 2000 chips your behaviour is different if the blinds are 15/30 or 200/400.
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Old 10-02-2005, 04:54 PM #18 (permalink)  
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Quote:
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Stack size is blind size
VQ Wrote "Your stack size ". If you have a stack of 2000 chips your behaviour is different if the blinds are 15/30 or 200/400.
By "Your stack size" he meant 5bb, 15bb, 25bb... ect.

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Old 10-02-2005, 05:12 PM #19 (permalink)  
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how many bb?
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how many bb?
Clearly 30+. And the syrup and butter mean you are holding Cowboys.
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Old 10-02-2005, 09:28 PM #21 (permalink)  
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the foundation of the pancakes tends toward showing that you are beginning to TILT.
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