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Vinland
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09-10-2009, 03:35 AM
Post subject: Over pair with uncoordinated board, flop play?
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Full House
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90 man SnG, approx 30 left.
Villain was 31/2/1.4 over 48
He had been quiet since the blinds were getting large compared to some stacks and was generally weak.
I dont have a lot of experience playing SNGs...
What is my play on the flop keeping in mind that my M is short?
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 2.2 Tournament, 100/200 Blinds 25 Ante (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
SB (t8750)
BB (t10584)
Hero (UTG) (t3625)
MP1 (t3070)
MP2 (t6255)
CO (t8177)
Button (t6475)
Hero's M: 7.63
Preflop: Hero is UTG with 10 , 10
Hero bets t500, 2 folds, CO calls t500, 1 fold, SB calls t400, BB calls t300
Flop: (t2175) 9, 3, 7 (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets t200, Hero ?
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I found it hard to put him on a range given this board...
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I confess in quicksand
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taipan168
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SNGs of more than 2 tables should go in the MTT forum. Would you like me to move it?
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Vinland
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Yeah sure if thats where it goes....
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I confess in quicksand
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taipan168
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raaaaise
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mcatdog
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Trying to put this player on a range is a complete waste of time. Just know that whatever his range is, you're ahead of it. Pretend he checked and raise to whatever you would have bet if he checked.
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geno9
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def raise this, make it 2/3 pot
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tugger
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He's betting 200 into a 2000 pot? I'm not sure what you're worried about.
His call pre flop means nothing, it's a x2.5 raise with two calls before he acts, he's pretty much priced in to see a flop with any two. We can discount the big hands like JJ+, otherwise you'd expect to see some isolation. So his range, for me, is almost any two.
You're way ahead of his range, before the flop and after it. Raise to 1500, and push the turn whatever it is. If he has something like Q7 and he hits, tough luck. The blinds are catching up with us, and this is a nice spot to build outselves a stack before we get to the bubble.
I'd be looking to get all my chips in as soon as possible.
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Vinland
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Anyone against shoving?
If I put a bet in say 1/3 - 1/2 pot and I either lose or need to fold, then I would have to shove preflop the next time I get even semi decent cards given what I would have left in chips.
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revolvingiris
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raise half your stack and shove any turn
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tugger
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by revolvingiris
raise half your stack and shove any turn
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This is my preference, but I'm not against an outright shove on the flop.
Raise/fold is not an option.
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fjuanl
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probably would rather just shove if this microstakes. chances are he's an idiot who will call a shove with 22 because "he has ak...and i have 10k chips so who cares"
theres likely not much of a different between raise or shove. just make sure you never call the flop or fold the hand
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revolvingiris
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fjuanl articulated it better
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headwrench5
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In my opinion you had a hand to be strong with. But you can get beat by a lot, he could have caught a set with a pocket pair. Or a higher pair than 10's. Its never easy....
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