|
Fnord
|
09-30-2005, 12:04 PM
Post subject: Over-pair and a good player puts me in a tough spot
|
#1 (permalink)
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
Posts: 19,333
|
|
25+2 Stars Turbo
CO is sTAgg. Plays a few more hands than the campers, but is playing them aggressivly and very well.
Early on I got involved in a hand I shouldn't have, then rebuilt via 94s in a min-raised pot when I turned 2 pair.
I doubled to around 3k AA vs KK on a AJJ flop. Checked it down until a king rivered and I took the rest of his stack. From there I pushed people around a bit, winning a couple pots pre-flop and a couple more on continuation bets. He might have a strong when weak read on me.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (7 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
MP1 (t1350)
MP2 (t930)
CO (t2870)
Button (t1390)
SB (t1405)
BB (t2375)
Fnord (t3180)
Preflop: Fnord is UTG with 7 , 7 .
Fnord raises to t400, 2 folds, CO calls t400, 2 folds, BB calls t250.
Flop: (t1200) 2 , 2, 4 (3 players)
BB checks, Fnord bets t800, CO raises to t2470, BB folds, Fnord cries
|
|
|
Play for FREE and practice your game at...
Join the FTR Poker Forum to disable these banners and start posting!
|
|
drmcboy
|
|
DrButtInski
Administrator
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 9,601
|
|
with the call pre flop rather than a re raise I lean to mid PP rather than a big ace. could be 66 instead of 88, but I think it's too expesive to find out.
|
|
|
|
Staresy
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Following the Herd to 6-Max Land
Posts: 1,240
|
|
hmmm .... range of hands here could be 55 - 88? I am guessing that he would not play 44 that way on the flop.
Do you think he would play this way pre-flop with 9s, 10s or even Js? I am guessing, from what you've put, that he would re-raise with those.
What about AK? Is he the type to re-raise with that or call and play? Could he hold this and figure your bet as a continuation bet and feel he is ahead?
What about a slower played big pair (QQ+)? Is he tricky enough to just call and push on a rag or Ace-less flop?
The odds are quite inviting (~3:1) but are punishing if you are wrong. Fuck it, I call and hope to see 5's or 6s. 
|
|
|
|
Khabbi
|
|
Flush
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 381
|
|
I'd fold. There are only three poket pairs that you beat. You got re-raised after your initial 2/3 pot sized bet. It's really not worth it for him to go up against the big stack unless he has an actual holding.
He's the 2nd stack, so calling this will cripple you. I just don't see the point.
|
|
|
|
dalecooper
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 3,107
|
|
That's brutal. I agree with the train of thought here and I probably make a crying fold.
|
|
|
|
Aquinas
|
|
Flush
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 319
|
|
If I've seen him bet into strength with a semi good hand I instant-call. Else I cry too. If he has a hand, I'd say u are behind more than half the time--maybe even 70% of the time since he could easily have 88 99 TT or JJ. He could be bluffing (perhaps like u said putting u on junk) and the pot is huge (1600 risked to win 4500), I cry and call...Btw I don't like ur flop raise. Your stacks are really the size where u are still well off if u fold, but u've made the pot large enough to induce a bluff. If u are planning to call the allin its fine...but if u want to have a chance to fold, u really can't make this raise.
I bet 500 on the flop. Or checkraise him.
|
|
|
|
a500lbgorilla
|
|
JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: This room is a good place to be
Posts: 8,379
|
|
I'd fold. You're either way behind or a decent favorite and unless you've seen him trying to steal strong cont bets, you gotta let it go.
-'rilla
|
Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
|
|
JeffreyGB
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Jenks, OK
Posts: 3,477
|
|
From the history, I'd fold for all the reasons given above. Reads change everything though if he's made plays like this frequently or with overs. Nothing you said indicates this is the case, however.
|
|
|
|
Rondavu
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 3,053
|
|
If he raised to 1600 I think long and hard. He's risking all his chips. He must have something he feels is ahead.
|
|
It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
|
|
gabe
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: trying to live
Posts: 7,964
|
|
i fold. if he is just making a play on you, then he picked a good spot.
|
|
|
|
Fnord
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
Posts: 19,333
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Aquinas
Btw I don't like ur flop raise.
|
Flop bet you mean? Med pairs out of position have been a source of much pain for me with stacks around this size. Anyone play it different? Same?
My raise to 400 and 2/3 pot bet were very much keeping pot control in mind.
|
|
|
|
JeffreyGB
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Jenks, OK
Posts: 3,477
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Fnord
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Aquinas
Btw I don't like ur flop raise.
|
Flop bet you mean? Med pairs out of position have been a source of much pain for me with stacks around this size. Anyone play it different? Same?
My raise to 400 and 2/3 pot bet were very much keeping pot control in mind. |
Depends on the table. As chip leader, I might muck this UTG. 55 and lower I definitely muck. 66/77/88 are iffy as well. Preflop, you may be able to find a better spot IMO. But again, that depends on the table.
|
|
|
|
drmcboy
|
|
DrButtInski
Administrator
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 9,601
|
|
I play it same.
|
|
|
|
baudib
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,233
|
|
I'd do the same and fold. I'm guessing you called and he had KK/AA.
|
|
|
|
Fnord
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
Posts: 19,333
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by baudib
I'd do the same and fold. I'm guessing you called and he had KK/AA.
|
I laid it down.
|
|
|
|
gabe
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: trying to live
Posts: 7,964
|
|
NLD
|
|
|
|
a500lbgorilla
|
|
JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: This room is a good place to be
Posts: 8,379
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by gabe
NLD
|
?
-'rilla
|
Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
|
|
gabe
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: trying to live
Posts: 7,964
|
|
nice lay down, but its what you type on the table when you want them to think you had something
|
|
|
|
baudib
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,233
|
|
gf
|
|
|
English
Deutsch
Español
Français
Italiano
Nederlands
Pусский
Svenska
05-26-2012, 03:08 PM Australia Legalized Online Poker coming up in next 6 to 12 Months
Linear Mode
