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    Default Not sure if I made a bad Call. Advice please

    I entered my second tournament yesterday, so I am still a beginner.

    It was a $230. Buy in. With 159 players. With 10,000 beginning chips.

    After 3 hours of play there were 50 players left playing and blinds were up to $600, $1,200 with $200 ante with average stack size of 30,000 chips.

    Pre-flop bidding: I was in cut off position with about $50,000 in chips and got pocket QQ. Under the gun position had about $17,000 in chips and went All-in. So I thought it was a pretty easy decision to call, so I did. Then small blind ( tight aggressive) with $45,000 chips snap raises to all in. So I still was happy to have pocket queens and thought I was already almost halfway down the road from already calling $17,000 so I decided to call an additional $28,000. So I only had about $5,000. of chips left after calling.

    Since both other players were all in, we all turned over our cards. The original raiser in under the gun position had JJ. But the small blind position who also went all in when I called, had KK. I knew I was dominated when I saw the pocket kings. Of course all 5 community cards came and the pocket kings won. I lost 95% of my chips in one hand.

    I am not sure if I had made the right decisions. Of course if I knew one player had kings, I would have folded.

    My second guessing my decisions are:
    1. Since I forgot to even consider the players behind me when I made the original call of $17,000., should I have gone all in at that time to ( to try)discourage having a show down with three players?
    2. Should I have folded to the small blind who three bet All-In, after one All-In and a large call?
    3. Did I do the right thing because pocket queens are are darn good hand and pocket aces and pocket kings are the only two possible hands that would be stronger and are not very common?
    4. Any other advice or thoughts?
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    The first bad decision you made was to play a $230 game as a beginner. You're taking the expensive poker lesson route. I've been playing for 5 years now and I won't play above $20 because the varaince is brutal (demonstrated by the fact I have just bust out of the MM main event with AA vs JJ all in pre) and my bankroll cannot take the swings. Normally my limit is $10 but I made an exception for the MM.

    As for the hand in question, I think you should probably fold vs the 2nd shove. Your cold call is very strong and for him to jam over it, I can't see queens being good here very often. I'd weight his range heavily towards KK+ AKs and throw the queens away at this price.

    The fact you're calling this shows why you shouldn't be playing at this level. I suggest you drop down to $5 games while you learn the ropes.
    Last edited by OngBonga; 11-24-2013 at 05:44 PM.
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    Ong, folding QQ getting over 2:1 is absurd. It's a clear call vs KK+ AKs, but the sb is certainly shoving AKo and JJ every single time and is possible shoving AQ 99-TT as well.

    OP you played it fine, other than being in a 230 dollar tournament to begin with.
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    It's a clear call vs KK+ AKs? How on earth can it be a clear call when we flip with 4 combos and are crushed by 12?

    I just stoved it, we have 27% vs KK+ AKs.

    Fair enough if you think sb has JJ AQ too, that would certainly swing it, but I'm not so sure. Our cold call is pretty strong here, this reps the hell out of QQ+ and I'd be very cautious in sb's spot with AQ and JJ.
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    Then again if sb is aware that hero is a beginner then I would expect sb's ISO range to be a little wider and would certainly include AQ and JJ.

    I think it's close.
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    i am leaning to sigh/call but don't hate a fold, stack sizes are super annoying. If SB is aware of OP, will he shove lighter or be scared off by spooky nit call? meh, I think call, he may even flat AA.
  7. #7
    It was a cooler. I would have raised all in to isolate myself with UTG but he was going to call anyways. The call after the SB shove is ok since you have QQ and you have already invested a lot of money, nothing to do about I think
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    I am assuming this is a live tourney in a casino? Either way, way too big of a buy-in for you but that's been mentioned more than once.

    Without knowing the rest of the stacks, I'd shove the short stack all-in to get heads-up and not think twice. If someone else wakes up behind with KK or AA, oh well.

    AS PLAYED, Roughly 55K in the pot and it costs you 28K to call with QQ. Unless you know he has only AA and KK I can't fold here EVER

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