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fakedecoy
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02-26-2010, 02:38 AM
Post subject: multiple table players
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3-of-a-Kind
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Lately I'm on $11 9-player turbo SNGs.
What's the best way to deal with players in this type of game who play several tables at once? The typical one I notice is playing 10 tables of turbo SNG with a 10-20% ROI and can still hold a conversation. I just play 2 at once and I'm fairly busy observing players, planning, and making notes. It seems like I ought to be able to use to my advantage the careful attention I'm paying, while his actions would have to be automatic. So I should try to steal his blinds, bluff him often, and assume he rarely bluffs except in clear situations like against very short stacks preflop. Is that right?
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Chopper
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i would steal his blinds more often than not, but respect the hell out of him when he plays back at me. he is likely rather tight, but that doesnt mean he is. watch his fold to blind numbers, or just watch him when you try, and if he keeps folding, keep picking. but, if he's in a pot with me, he isn't likely in there with a crappy hand.
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taipan168
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Best thing is to avoid tables with lots of multitabling regulars, they will sap your ROI. If I see more than 2 known good regs in a tourney I wait until they've fired up their set to start registering.
Otherwise, as Chopper said you can steal their blinds more often than not, but you also have to realise that if they re-raise you or if they open raise from EP they very likely have the goods. The other thing is that continuation bets are often more effective against these sorts of players since a) if they had a real monster they would be 3-betting and b) players playing lots of tables don't want to get into tricky post-flop situations so they're unlikely to float you with air.
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SMRZ
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I assume that a good multitabler is playing in a very strait forward game at the $10 level. They are not going to be pulling many fancy moves. Check raises, squeeze plays, etc.
I keep track of their Continuation bet % if I am calling their raise out of position. If it is less than 85% and I think I have the best hand post flop, and there is a draw on the board, I will donk into them.
It take some brain power to figure out why a TAG is donking into you on the flop, and many times they will just move on.
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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fire barrels
that said, the best way to beat them is to join them, or get into a format where you will have more spots to exploit robots.
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TLR
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The main points are covered up by the replies. One thing to take notice of is that good multitablers play near perfect push-fold game, which means you do not really have any edge vs them when the blinds are around 10BB, early on they play a predictable game so you may be able to pick up small pots from them. One issue that is not covered here is that if they limp and call a raise preflop it is very often a small to mid pocket pair, if they continue to play after the flop with you it is very likely they hit their set, your edge at the early stages is blind stealing and being able to put them rather accurately on a hand range
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drmcboy
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DrButtInski
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use really exploitable bet sizes until you see them do something about it
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fakedecoy
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Great ideas. I've been implementing these tactics with success over about 70 games to the $22 level. The higher I go, the more multi tablers there are. It has helped me to label players as one of:
- multi tablers, totally transparent
- donks, will raise or call anything with one pair or better or a draw including sucker and inside straights
- sharks, somewhat transparent because they don't make bad moves
- somewhat skilled players, these are the ones to watch out for because they don't always make sense and you can't put them on a hand
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Kijjo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fakedecoy
- sharks, somewhat transparent because they don't make bad moves
- somewhat skilled players, these are the ones to watch out for because they don't always make sense and you can't put them on a hand
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Sorry I just think it's funny, you've id'd a "shark" and then you id a "somewhat skilled player" and say "these are the ones to watch for"???
I know what you're saying, but just reads kinda funny.
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