move up or no?

I like to keep about 15-20 buyins, so for $22s that would be anywhere from $330-$440. I'm willing to bet there's a pretty big adjustment to be made moving from the $11s into the $22s on PokerRoom, maybe it would be better to mop up a little more cash before you dive in. Also, try to download a tracking program (plenty of free ones linked from this site) to see how you're doing with your ITM rate and ROI (also explained on this site) for both the $11s and $22s.

If you feel confident/comfortable enough, go for it, but don't be afraid to step back down if you need to rebuild.

If you're nervous about the quality of play, move up. Nothing wrong with dropping down if you tank the first 5.

If you're nervous about risking 20 bucks a pop, stay a while. Eventually you'll get the itch for bigger $$.

I play regularly on Poker room in both $10 and $20 buy ins. All I can say is the $10 buy ins are fairly easy to scoop up money on by either winning or coming second. The $20 buy ins do not have any better standard of player in them, just people with more money to waste in my opinion.

If you are a good solid player at $10 then play a table at $20 and see how you do, you can always move back down again and recoup your loses. What I tend to do is play a $10 first and pick up my entry to the $20 SnG. That way let the $10 buy in players pay for your higher limit entry fees. I take it you are not playing as an income, but want to acquire money and experience. Try what I suggest by picking up the entry fee first. If it is not income then this is a good way to learn and gain confidence on the next level up, although it can be time consuming whilst you are adjusting to higher stake games.

I wouldnt move up yet, try and play at least a 100 of the $10 ones. If you move up and you hit a downswing it will destroy your bankroll and your confidence. Also I think your bankroll needs to be at least $500.

Mixing in a $20 once in a while would be a compromise.

you shouldnt move up til you have 30 buy ins of the next level you want to acheive.

thanks for all the feedback guys, I appreciate it! Think I will wait a little longer and build the bankroll a little more.....

JD

The question of moving up with SNGs is as much psychological as it is a bankroll question. Just because you aren't quite bankrolled doesn't mean you can't play the $20 game if you have the right perspective. If you think you need 20 entries to be bankrolled for a game, but only have 15, you can play that game if you can meet 2 criterion:

1: Playing at the higher stake does not effect your game. Many players move up and even when bankrolled can't take the higher losses psychologically. If you can play your best game at higher stakes without worrying about losing your entry, you should be more willing to take a stab at the higher stakes. You will usually only know whether you can do this by trying it.

2: You have the discipline to move down if you lose too much. If you are well rolled for 10s and play a few 20s, you should never play and lose enough 20s to endanger your r0ll for the 10s.

I highly recommend moving up if you know you are good enough. A $20 game has twice the return as a $10 game, without a big jump in competition. You can move up partially ... play both games if you have say 50% more than the roll for the 10 and only play the 10 if you drop below that. But more than anything else, don't play the higher game if the higher stakes make you play badly. Eventually you have to move up, but never do it early if you can't handle it.

Originally Posted by Xanadu

The question of moving up with SNGs is as much psychological as it is a bankroll question.

Bankroll is the first priority, the psychological aspect comes second. You can have the bankroll for a particular limit but choose not to play it because you don't have the confidence for it yet but not the other way round.

^^^ I agree, 20+. I think people should move up out of the 10s (or lower) ASAP.

Moving up too fast is the surest way to meet larger-than-you-want (relative to your BR) swings. If you hit an upswing, then before long it's not an issue. But if you hit a downswing and end up moving down, it takes twice as long to work your way up to the point that you're really bankrolled for it than it would have to have just finished getting there in the first place.

I'd never advise anyone unwilling to deposit more funds to play where they have less than 20 buyins. Usually I'd agree with Tim and advise 30 or more. I'm still playing the $55s, even though I've got 30x for the $109s. Part of the reason being that I can follow proper bankroll management guidelines (risk less than 10%) and still play quite a few games.

not even sure why this is still being talked about...i already answered this question... 30 buy-ins at any level, this is due to br management, if you dont like it, maybe you should deposit more money or not play poker...however, it is important to have the br to play certain sng's so when you bubble, you dont go on tilt and put your whole roll on the line in one night...been there done that, and you CANT FOLLOW WHAT I DID, it will only lose you money, so take the extra week or 2 to build up that roll to be funded for the sng's you want to move up too.

Follow Jeffery's lead, he knows what hes doing obviously...i bet if Jeff played 4-5 sngs a day he could probally make a decent living on a week to week basis...

It's both a BR issue and a small sample size issue. Becuase your BR is borderline for 20s AND 32 SNGs is too small to be significant, I'd wait a bit. If your still beating the 10s after 100 SNGs or so, your BR will be that much bigger and you can move up with confidence. If you stay even or lose a little, you know you made the right call to stay at the 10s. Win-win either way.

If you must try the 20s, do so only occasionally or do as I have done successfully. If you're having a good day(say 3 of 4 ITMs with a first or 2), take a shot or 2 at the 20s. If you finish ITM there let it ride until you finish OOTM, then drop back down . Either way you should be up for the day.

your bankroll should be ATLEAST 10+ buy ins. considering your BR and confidence, i believe that you'll know deep down inside whether or not you're ready to move up. since you came here for advice, you're not ready, but almost... almost.

well thanks for the input guys! seems pretty unanimous to wait a little till' i build a lil more $ in the bank. Just hit a small downswing playing the 10s anyways, so will be a little while before I am moving up for sure! Thanks again y'all....

JD