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    Finished ITM but that wasn't what I was after. Disregard my J9 hand in the beginning. Yes I got lucky but I had a read on this guy and thought that I was good. Plus I had a pair and and inside str8. What I have found that if I raise connectors and pps from anywhere, I can pick-up a big stack early. Then late I just raise the hell out of medium stacks with a very wide range. People start playing back at me with marginal hands and I can bust them when I have a real hand.

    However, late in this tourney I didn't know when to back down. One particular player wasn't having me raise all the time, but he was in the sb with a guy sitting out in the bb, so I felt I had to steal. I just got a little unlucky a few times. I would appreciate some advice as if this is too maniacish. Thx

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    Wow, and to think this big run started with an allin with 88 unimproved, no set!

    I'd like to see an analysis of see how good your starting cards are. (Some web hand replayers do this.) They seem fairly punk, so this result is even more impressive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txaces
    Wow, and to think this big run started with an allin with 88 unimproved, no set!

    I'd like to see an analysis of see how good your starting cards are. (Some web hand replayers do this.) They seem fairly punk, so this result is even more impressive.
    You have to play your edges. Obviously, I wouldn't have gotten my chips in preflop without seeing a flop and if the flop came all paint. However, I just put a nasty beat on the guy and I was raising a few times prior. I had a feeling he was playing back at me and before I called his shove I asked myself why would he shove here. Just didn't make sense. That board was fine for me to get my chips in and considering the preflop action. If I lost, oh well. I wouldn't be out.

    You sent me a PM and I PMed you back. Check out Annette_15's HHs at PXF and ask me again how I managed to money. But, remember, that isn't what I was after. The FT was were I was trying to get to. I just ran into a guy at the end that wasn't having it and wouldn't let me steal. That's where my error occurred and I should have slowed down or fought back. The 85o hand on a 5TT flop was a bad laydown by me IMO. He was smooth calling my raises and I had a read that his lead out of the blinds was a bluff. I just didn't follow through. I should have because what did I have to lose? I could have stopped this guy from trying to bully me.

    BTW, this isn't my normal style. I have been experimenting with this at the lower buy-ins to see what I could tell from it. I have a small sample size, but so far so good. At least it is a hell of a lot more fun than camping for a hand or resulting to push bot ninja mode. Also, check out Arnold Snyder's Poker Tournament Formula. Some of it's bunk, but his advice for LAG play is pretty good.
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    Hand 10 - 49s.

    Just fold. 89 or even 79s fine. But that's going overboard when you don't need to.

    Hand 13 - A6os. Same thing. You also played it really bad postflop.

    Hand 14 - A9os. Instead of getting so aggressive with hands that don't draw well, try just sticking to playing hands that do. I just fold there.

    Hands 25-31. The guy on your right is using you as a way to pick up stacks without having to play. You raise, he pushes, you fold. Your M is huge here, so you might wanna think about limping to play so many pots or actually changing gears for justa bit.

    Also, try and figure out what you'll need as an about an average stack for the Final Table. If I remember right thats about 27k for this tourney.

    At hand 63 - 33. You were basically there with over 25k. At that point my goal is twofold, yes I want to accumulate chips, but more importantly is that I don't want to double people up. This might sound like I become a pansy that just starts to fold everything - which isn't true. I just think you really need to avoid bluffs with marginal edges at this stage. I don't mind your c-bet on the flop, but I woulda dropped at the turn (even though I realize that that's giving the flush draw caller exactly what he wants).
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    I posted about the 33. Somehow that got lost. That seems a hand to get away from. (sorry for grammar)

    In the later hand with the flush flop, I would have stopped in midhand with that flop.
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    Thx for reviewing. Looking back on it, I agree with a lot of these. I don't think that the trimmer doesn't show it, but the bb was sitting out towards the end and the sb knew that I was stealing. I should have just changed gears and recognized that I was had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chardrian
    At hand 63 - 33. You were basically there with over 25k. At that point my goal is twofold, yes I want to accumulate chips, but more importantly is that I don't want to double people up. This might sound like I become a pansy that just starts to fold everything - which isn't true. I just think you really need to avoid bluffs with marginal edges at this stage. I don't mind your c-bet on the flop, but I woulda dropped at the turn (even though I realize that that's giving the flush draw caller exactly what he wants).
    Funny that you say that. I have always been under the impression that I have to attack people on the bubble of the money and the bubble of the FT. What I am finding is that, mind you in these lower buy-in tourneys, people are not tight during these stages as compared to what people have said in the past. I think that I should have recognized this and when I obtained 20k+ stack, I should have just tightened-up.
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    This really is table dependent.

    You do want to attack the shorties, but they need to be shorties. In this case you tried to attack a stack that can damage you as much as you can damage him. I'm not going to say it doesn't work sometimes, because it does, and when it does you become a big stack that can really do some damage. But it also blows up in your face a lot too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chardrian
    This really is table dependent.

    You do want to attack the shorties, but they need to be shorties. In this case you tried to attack a stack that can damage you as much as you can damage him. I'm not going to say it doesn't work sometimes, because it does, and when it does you become a big stack that can really do some damage. But it also blows up in your face a lot too.
    It blew-up in my face for sure this time. I just got greedy since the bb was sitting out. The other thing is that in these low-buy in tourneys, you don't get reraised that much. More often you get smooth called by someone that has position on you or from the blinds. Then I'm set-up with no idea of were I'm at. But, I should be careful especially with the guys that call from position and they call off over 10% of their stack. Lessons learned.

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