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Old 03-31-2008, 09:57 PM     Post subject: KQs - 5 handed on button #1 (permalink)  
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SB had just been crippled in previous two hands, calling with the second best hand. Other than that he's not stood out. I haven't yet seen him put up much of a fight for his blind. BB won a big pot early and hasn't done anything major since. UTG seems as solid player for the level. He's folded the previous round or two.

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UTG: 2,710
CO: 3,225
Hero (BTN): 1,045
SB: 705
BB: 3,775

Pre-Flop: (150) K Q dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG calls 100, CO folds, Hero ???
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Old 03-31-2008, 10:40 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I'd just fold, I dont really expect UTG to fold if you push. This might be a push if UTG were really loose
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Old 03-31-2008, 10:44 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Hard to say with those reads...

I probably fold and hope SB and UTG get AI. A limp for 100 chips from UTG from someone you describe as solid could be a warning sign. Could also be something like a PP which for some reason is only a limp but opps always call a push with also.
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Old 04-01-2008, 03:39 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I hate a fold here. 5 handed KQs is as good as AKs. A solid player isn't limping a poopy ace UTG.

I think you raise and go to war.
The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?
 
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Old 04-01-2008, 03:49 AM #5 (permalink)  
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5 handed KQs is as good as AKs.
No its not.
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Old 04-01-2008, 03:59 AM #6 (permalink)  
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why not? I can't remember where... but I know I have a few books on the subject willing to back me here.
The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?
 
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Old 04-01-2008, 04:13 AM #7 (permalink)  
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AKs is ahead of more hands than KQs, to say they're the same is either silly, or making some assumptions about opps hand and then treating them like fact, which they're not.
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Old 04-01-2008, 04:35 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Any above-average hand becomes stronger 5 handed vs 9 handed, but that doesn't mean you can treat them like the nuts. From what you can assume about UTG's limping range, KQs doesn't do so well. A better way to approach situations is (a)looking at the action in front of you and (b)how many are left to act.

I made the range a little liberal since this is a $1

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

1,342,446,336 games 0.015 secs 89,496,422,400 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 53.343% 50.77% 02.58% 681498032 34603832.00 { 22+, A8s+, KTs+, QJs, A8o+, KJo+, QJo }
Hand 1: 46.657% 44.08% 02.58% 591740640 34603832.00 { KQs }
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Old 04-01-2008, 05:34 AM #9 (permalink)  
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I think I am pushing this one given your stack size.

There is no reason not to take the UTG at face value, a mediocare hand that want to see a cheap flop, hands like QJ, JT, J9 etc are all in his range IMO


 
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