KK, A flops again.

**eugmac** · 04-21-2007 09:12 AM

First hand I played. BTW in this tourney second hand dealt to me was AQo, I folded to the UTG raiser, standard? Anyway on with the KK hand. Turn call OK? Was leading the river the obvious play? I was obviously disappointed he didn't bet again.

-----Hand 1-----
Heros M = 33.33
Full Tilt Poker Game #2251175613: $2 + $0.25 Sit & Go (16952343), Table 1 - 15/30 - No Limit Holdem - 17:26:57 ET - 2007/04/20
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.1w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Seat 1: TDurden23 (1,560)
Seat 2: tbone461 (1,315)
Seat 3: T-Roy27 (1,485)
Seat 4: CelineMac (1,640)
Seat 5: jst4me (1,500)
Seat 6: Hero (1,500)
CelineMac posts the small blind of 15
jst4me posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #3
Preflop: Hero dealt K K
Hero raises to 90
TDurden23 folds
tbone461 calls 90
T-Roy27 folds
CelineMac folds
jst4me calls 60
Flop: 8 A J
jst4me checks
Hero checks
tbone461 checks
Turn: 3
jst4me checks
Hero checks
tbone461 bets 285
jst4me folds
Hero calls 285
River: K
Hero checks
tbone461 checks

**givememyleg** · 04-21-2007 11:57 AM

Definitely bet this river 100% of the time.

**LeFou** · 04-21-2007 12:33 PM

tbone bets an ace most of the time in position here. Baby on the turns, so heshe takes a stab at it (presumably with a J). won't bet again when the K comes, though, so you have to lead

**taipan168** · 04-21-2007 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by givememyleg

Definitely bet this river 100% of the time.

Agree 100%.

**Fortune 500** · 04-21-2007 02:24 PM

Absolutely. And I make it a fairly strong bet, too, around pot size.

**Jack Sawyer** · 04-21-2007 02:35 PM

Seems like a checking party.
Always lead to see where you are standing.
As played, unless he is a Matt Damon, shove on the river.

P.S.
WTF??? *I'm* giving advice!

**eugmac** · 04-21-2007 02:58 PM

Seems like a checking party.
Always lead to see where you are standing.
As played, unless he is a Matt Damon, shove on the river.

I checked twice, hoping to win a bet from a worse pair like a Jack (which a flop bet might scare away), and it sure did look like a Jack betting on the turn so I called. I was instantly annoyed at myself for not betting the river... but surely a weak A or J isn't calling a river push?

**Jack Sawyer** · 04-21-2007 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by eugmac

Seems like a checking party.
Always lead to see where you are standing.
As played, unless he is a Matt Damon, shove on the river.

I checked twice, hoping to win a bet from a worse pair like a Jack, and it sure did look like a Jack betting on the turn so I called. I was instantly annoyed at myself for not betting the river... but surely a weak A or J isn't calling a river push?

You are UTG. Previous street, he led.
Lead now. Bet twice what he bet. Let him think you are stealing the pot now.
If he has something, he'll call. If he's a maniac, he'll RRAI.
If he has nothing, no matter what you do, he's folding/ not calling.

Trick is, don't check so much, unless you know your opp is very aggressive/ maniacal and you are holding the nuts.

04-21-2007 09:12 AM #1
eugmac View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jun 2006 Posts 1,774	KK, A flops again. First hand I played. BTW in this tourney second hand dealt to me was AQo, I folded to the UTG raiser, standard? Anyway on with the KK hand. Turn call OK? Was leading the river the obvious play? I was obviously disappointed he didn't bet again. -----Hand 1----- Heros M = 33.33 Full Tilt Poker Game #2251175613: $2 + $0.25 Sit & Go (16952343), Table 1 - 15/30 - No Limit Holdem - 17:26:57 ET - 2007/04/20 Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.1w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com Seat 1: TDurden23 (1,560) Seat 2: tbone461 (1,315) Seat 3: T-Roy27 (1,485) Seat 4: CelineMac (1,640) Seat 5: jst4me (1,500) Seat 6: Hero (1,500) CelineMac posts the small blind of 15 jst4me posts the big blind of 30 The button is in seat #3 Preflop: Hero dealt K K Hero raises to 90 TDurden23 folds tbone461 calls 90 T-Roy27 folds CelineMac folds jst4me calls 60 Flop: 8 A J jst4me checks Hero checks tbone461 checks Turn: 3 jst4me checks Hero checks tbone461 bets 285 jst4me folds Hero calls 285 River: K Hero checks tbone461 checks

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04-21-2007 11:57 AM #2
givememyleg View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 13,799 Location ISHPERMING MISHIGEN	Definitely bet this river 100% of the time.
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04-21-2007 12:33 PM #3
LeFou View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2004 Posts 2,511 Location Dallas, TX	tbone bets an ace most of the time in position here. Baby on the turns, so heshe takes a stab at it (presumably with a J). won't bet again when the K comes, though, so you have to lead

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04-21-2007 02:07 PM #4
taipan168 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2005 Posts 10,571 Location Sydney	Originally Posted by givememyleg Definitely bet this river 100% of the time. Agree 100%.

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04-21-2007 02:35 PM #6
Jack Sawyer View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jan 2007 Posts 5,875 Location Jack-high straight flush motherfucker	Seems like a checking party. Always lead to see where you are standing. As played, unless he is a Matt Damon, shove on the river. P.S. WTF??? I'm giving advice!
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eugmac View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jun 2006 Posts 1,774	Seems like a checking party. Always lead to see where you are standing. As played, unless he is a Matt Damon, shove on the river. I checked twice, hoping to win a bet from a worse pair like a Jack (which a flop bet might scare away), and it sure did look like a Jack betting on the turn so I called. I was instantly annoyed at myself for not betting the river... but surely a weak A or J isn't calling a river push?

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04-21-2007 03:03 PM #8
Jack Sawyer View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jan 2007 Posts 5,875 Location Jack-high straight flush motherfucker	Originally Posted by eugmac Seems like a checking party. Always lead to see where you are standing. As played, unless he is a Matt Damon, shove on the river. I checked twice, hoping to win a bet from a worse pair like a Jack, and it sure did look like a Jack betting on the turn so I called. I was instantly annoyed at myself for not betting the river... but surely a weak A or J isn't calling a river push? You are UTG. Previous street, he led. Lead now. Bet twice what he bet. Let him think you are stealing the pot now. If he has something, he'll call. If he's a maniac, he'll RRAI. If he has nothing, no matter what you do, he's folding/ not calling. Trick is, don't check so much, unless you know your opp is very aggressive/ maniacal and you are holding the nuts.
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