JJ line? $8.80

**fulksy** · 11-07-2011 04:49 PM

villan was 6/3 over 36 hands, was his first 3 bet. should i just fold to the 3 bet

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NL Holdem $40(BB) Poker Stars
SB ($3,220)
BB ($5,347)
UTG ($3,165)
UTG+1 ($3,472)
Hero ($3,035)
MP1 ($3,345)
CO ($2,496)
BTN ($2,910)

Dealt to Hero J

J

fold, fold, Hero raises to $111, fold, fold, BTN raises to $300, fold, fold, Hero calls $189

FLOP ($660) 8

5

2

Hero checks, BTN bets $340, Hero calls $340

TURN ($1,340) 8

5

2

4

Hero checks, BTN bets $680, Hero folds

**Magicman** · 11-07-2011 09:32 PM

The turn is basically a blank. The only hands I see him having are JJ+ AQ+. I would of folded as well because he is repping a high pp, but he could also be betting with a semi-bluff (AK, AQ of hearts OR diamonds). He also has position on you and with a lot of scare cards able to come out on the river, you almost have to fold the turn bet.

**baudib** · 11-07-2011 09:39 PM

yeah fold pre

**Magicman** · 11-07-2011 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by baudib

yeah fold pre

Just curious for my learning, but what if this was his third or fourth time 3-betting, would you have made a check/shove on the turn? (Maybe considering a semi-bluff was trying to take it?)

**baudib** · 11-07-2011 09:48 PM

then we shove pre.

**Magicman** · 11-07-2011 09:53 PM

Would you ever consider 4-betting if this was the third for fouth time, then shoving the flop? (Also the 4-bet I was considering is maybe 900 to 1k)

**drmcboy** · 11-07-2011 10:23 PM

It's a lame spot, not sure 36 hands is enough to fold pre. I think your line is fine, folding pre or on flop seems OK also.

**baudib** · 11-07-2011 11:10 PM

When he's folded 34 of 36 hands, I feel like he's earned our 111 chips. We will get it back when he folds like 95% when we raising ATC from CO.

**donkbee** · 11-07-2011 11:59 PM

I wouldn't fold preflop. I'd play it the same way probably.

**chardrian** · 11-10-2011 06:12 PM

Against someone who we are leaning towards believing is a super nit we definitely have the implied odds to call pre with any pair here since we our chances of stacking off when we bink our set will be so high. I don't hate your call on the flop but like a fold a little better methinks.

**KoRnholio** · 11-10-2011 06:30 PM

I agree here. I have no problem with playing JJ like a small pair here. I probably call on the flop too, not sure if that's better than folding. Being oop sucks because even nits will probably fire again on that board with AQ/AK/99+ when checked to on the turn.

**baudib** · 11-10-2011 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by chardrian

Against someone who we are leaning towards believing is a super nit we definitely have the implied odds to call pre with any pair here since we our chances of stacking off when we bink our set will be so high. I don't hate your call on the flop but like a fold a little better methinks.

I know what you're saying but calling 190 to win ~$3,300ish is meh, especially when we're calling flop/folding turn so often like this spot.

**drmcboy** · 11-10-2011 08:48 PM

If you think he has {AA} I would guess it's worth set mining, QQ-AA no way.

**fulksy** · 11-15-2011 05:34 PM

thanks all,

11-07-2011 04:49 PM #1
fulksy View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2008 Posts 1,412 Location Edmonton,Canada	JJ line? $8.80 villan was 6/3 over 36 hands, was his first 3 bet. should i just fold to the 3 bet Grabbed by Holdem Manager NL Holdem $40(BB) Poker Stars SB ($3,220) BB ($5,347) UTG ($3,165) UTG+1 ($3,472) Hero ($3,035) MP1 ($3,345) CO ($2,496) BTN ($2,910) Dealt to Hero J J fold, fold, Hero raises to $111, fold, fold, BTN raises to $300, fold, fold, Hero calls $189 FLOP ($660) 8 5 2 Hero checks, BTN bets $340, Hero calls $340 TURN ($1,340) 8 5 2 4 Hero checks, BTN bets $680, Hero folds

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11-07-2011 09:32 PM #2
Magicman View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Nov 2011 Posts 23 Location Alabama	The turn is basically a blank. The only hands I see him having are JJ+ AQ+. I would of folded as well because he is repping a high pp, but he could also be betting with a semi-bluff (AK, AQ of hearts OR diamonds). He also has position on you and with a lot of scare cards able to come out on the river, you almost have to fold the turn bet.

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11-07-2011 09:39 PM #3
baudib View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Aug 2005 Posts 3,772	yeah fold pre
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11-07-2011 09:45 PM #4
Magicman View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Nov 2011 Posts 23 Location Alabama	Originally Posted by baudib yeah fold pre Just curious for my learning, but what if this was his third or fourth time 3-betting, would you have made a check/shove on the turn? (Maybe considering a semi-bluff was trying to take it?)

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11-07-2011 09:48 PM #5
baudib View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Aug 2005 Posts 3,772	then we shove pre.
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11-07-2011 09:53 PM #6
Magicman View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Nov 2011 Posts 23 Location Alabama	Would you ever consider 4-betting if this was the third for fouth time, then shoving the flop? (Also the 4-bet I was considering is maybe 900 to 1k)

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11-07-2011 10:23 PM #7
drmcboy View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message DrButtInski Join Date Aug 2004 Posts 10,669	It's a lame spot, not sure 36 hands is enough to fold pre. I think your line is fine, folding pre or on flop seems OK also.

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11-07-2011 11:10 PM #8
baudib View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Aug 2005 Posts 3,772	When he's folded 34 of 36 hands, I feel like he's earned our 111 chips. We will get it back when he folds like 95% when we raising ATC from CO.
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11-07-2011 11:59 PM #9
donkbee View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message SERIOUSLY WTF Join Date May 2005 Posts 6,256 Location outer space	I wouldn't fold preflop. I'd play it the same way probably.
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11-10-2011 06:12 PM #10
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11-10-2011 06:30 PM #11
KoRnholio View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2005 Posts 2,753 Location Canada	I agree here. I have no problem with playing JJ like a small pair here. I probably call on the flop too, not sure if that's better than folding. Being oop sucks because even nits will probably fire again on that board with AQ/AK/99+ when checked to on the turn.
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11-10-2011 08:20 PM #12
baudib View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Aug 2005 Posts 3,772	Originally Posted by chardrian Against someone who we are leaning towards believing is a super nit we definitely have the implied odds to call pre with any pair here since we our chances of stacking off when we bink our set will be so high. I don't hate your call on the flop but like a fold a little better methinks. I know what you're saying but calling 190 to win ~$3,300ish is meh, especially when we're calling flop/folding turn so often like this spot.
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11-10-2011 08:48 PM #13
drmcboy View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message DrButtInski Join Date Aug 2004 Posts 10,669	If you think he has {AA} I would guess it's worth set mining, QQ-AA no way.

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11-15-2011 05:34 PM #14
fulksy View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jul 2008 Posts 1,412 Location Edmonton,Canada	thanks all,

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