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givememyleg

03-31-2006, 03:04 PM Post subject: I'm finding myself shortstacked too often...

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I am finding this to happen abour 70% of the time when the bubble comes along. When it gets down to 4-5 people, and on average the blinds will be somewhere in between 50/100 - 75/150, and I will be sitting on a stack of around 1000-1500. This puts me in push/fold mode and I am finding myself not knowing whether to push, or fold.

This is something I noticed esspecially during my 4 hour session today, I document everytime how I go out of a tournament, and I noted that I went out because I was shortstacked 75%. I would have a stack of ~1200 with blinds being 75/150 and I would push AI with hands like KJ+ and get called with weak aces, mid pockets, or hands that dominate me and lose. Sometimes I could not believe I would be called with a hand like A6o because my table image was tight. I know I can't win every race, and I know every session can not be a winning one, but how does one play a SnG to not get short stacked on the bubble?

I wouldn't say my bubble problem was because I was playing poorly at the start of the tourn, I play TAG and my flop % is usually around 10-15%, sometimes lower. I guess it could be that I was card dead this session (which did start to frustrate me) and it stod out more, but after going through and reading how I have busted out of some sit and go's in the past, it seems I am too short and have to gamble. How do I prevent this?

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03-31-2006, 03:29 PM

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You can't. SnG play is all about getting shortstacked and gambling it up. It's pretty rare not to go through this phase at some point. Last night I played a tourney where I got dealt strong hands which won, and nobody contested my steals. I wasn't shortstacked once in the entire thing... that's is a 1 in 10 situation though, tops.

I think what you might need to look at is how you play when you are shortstacked. e.g. hand values in a race situation. Fold equity. Calling ranges.

My advice is go and download this... www.sitngo-analyzer.com. The full program is $75, but the tutorial section is free and is excellent for showing the weird situations you should be learning to look for when shortstacked.

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03-31-2006, 03:43 PM

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03-31-2006, 03:55 PM

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My advice is go and download this... www.sitngo-analyzer.com. The full program is $75, but the tutorial section is free and is excellent for showing the weird situations you should be learning to look for when shortstacked.

GREAT!!!! So much for getting any work done this afternoon. Seriously, I just downloaded this and it looks pretty cool. Is it worth paying the $75 for?

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03-31-2006, 03:57 PM

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GREAT!!!! So much for getting any work done this afternoon. Seriously, I just downloaded this and it looks pretty cool. Is it worth paying the $75 for?

Yes

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03-31-2006, 04:02 PM

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I paid it, but then i'm a proper mug for poker stuff.

Pros -
Brilliant at what it does, which is analyzing push/call/fold situations with stacks of less than 10bb

Cons -
That's pretty much all it does.

You get 1-5 of those situations every sng, so it is useful...

My experience went...
WOW this is COOL! I never realised that pushing 93o there is so +EV
wait i feel ripped off, this cost me fifty fucking quid! what a M UG!
ah, i guess it's worth having in the grand scheme of things

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givememyleg

03-31-2006, 10:37 PM

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This is a pretty damn good program. Although I don't have the $75 to front right now, even the tutorials that come with it are very nice. I had no idea about any of this. Thanks for the response.

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04-01-2006, 12:33 AM

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WTF .. You guys hate me that much not to tell me.. My last 10 posts have been about bubbling and short stacked. lol .. Thanks -

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04-01-2006, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DogOnMySide

I paid it, but then i'm a proper mug for poker stuff.

Pros -
Brilliant at what it does, which is analyzing push/call/fold situations with stacks of less than 10bb

Cons -
That's pretty much all it does.

You get 1-5 of those situations every sng, so it is useful...

My experience went...
WOW this is COOL! I never realised that pushing 93o there is so +EV
wait i feel ripped off, this cost me fifty fucking quid! what a M UG!
ah, i guess it's worth having in the grand scheme of things

When you learn why this is true, you will have just begun to understand SnG poker. If you can't afford a program to do the work, Google the Independent Chip Model and learn how to use it. Then download Pokerstove (it's free). Then just do a whole bunch of longhand calculations on bubble situations. That's how I have started to understand the basics of bubble-ology.

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