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pankfish
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09-30-2007, 03:36 AM
Post subject: How do you feel about A x suited?
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Let's say you are a mid to short stack, after the flop you are one card away from having the nut flush and someone pushes all in. Do you take the coin flip?
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mcatdog
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Yes, if you're a short stack then you'll usually be getting good enough pot odds to gamble here. There are some situations on the bubble where pot odds don't matter so much and you'd rather not risk your tourney life on a flush draw.
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TLR
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09-30-2007, 07:43 AM
Post subject: Re: How do you feel about A x suited?
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Originally Posted by pankfish
Let's say you are a mid to short stack, after the flop you are one card away from having the nut flush and someone pushes all in. Do you take the coin flip?
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It is only a coinflip if pairing one of your cards will put you ahead, otherwise you are 2:1 dog, however if you are shortstack generally speaking you need to gamble here
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taipan168
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As in a lot of things in poker, it depends - on position, stack sizes vs. blinds, reads, number of players left to act, etc.
For example, if your stack is 1100, blinds 100/200, you pick up A 2 in the BB, two limpers, you check and flop comes K 8 3 and a short stack with 600 shoves all in, it's an easy call.
However, if your stack was 1500, blinds 10/20, with all the other cards and action the same as above, it's a super easy fold.
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mike4066
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09-30-2007, 04:35 PM
Post subject: Re: How do you feel about A x suited?
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Originally Posted by pankfish
Let's say you are a mid to short stack, after the flop you are one card away from having the nut flush and someone pushes all in. Do you take the coin flip?
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It's not really a flip, you have to look at the odds/situation before deciding to get AI, or your out right willness to gamb00l
Taipan covers it with a simple situation.
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pankfish
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10-01-2007, 01:33 AM
Post subject: Re: How do you feel about A x suited?
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Originally Posted by pankfish
Let's say you are a mid to short stack, after the flop you are one card away from having the nut flush and someone pushes all in. Do you take the coin flip?
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It is only a coinflip if pairing one of your cards will put you ahead, otherwise you are 2:1 dog, however if you are shortstack generally speaking you need to gamble here |
In this situation my ace was actually paired on the board. I didn't have a kicker though, i think my hand was an a-4s or something around there. I had two suited rags with the ace on the river. Think I ended up getting beat by a-j.
I figure you roughly have a 50% chance going into the turn and still 25% shot on the river, plus you are holding an ace. I only an underdog to a-10+(approx., I'm not sure the exact cards in the flop), and not too much to be scared of pushing.
Or am I totally wrong? I've only been playing poker for about a month, and I came in with zero knowledge before hand.
Thanks for the responses.
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taipan168
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If you have a flush draw and a pair, this makes a really big difference. A pair and a flush draw, particularly top pair and the nut flush draw, is a very strong hand and you should be happy to get all of your chips in because unless opp flopped a set (which I almost never give credit for since there are lots of other hands opp could have, and most opps won't shove with a flopped set), you're usually around 50% to win if you don't already have the best hand.
Have you got the actual HH? If you can find it, post it and we will take a look.
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pankfish
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I could maybe find it in pt, but I don't know how to do that yet. Next time something like this comes up I'll be sure to copy the hand history at the table though. Sorry for the incomplete info.
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