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KillThatInfidel
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09-29-2007, 12:06 AM
Post subject: Gross spot with AA 33$
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The guy on my left has been playing decent. Tight early, and got more aggro later on. Any ways, looking back i dont like my min bet preflop, was trying to get him to shove over since he had been getting aggressive.
After that turn, what do you think i should do?
Full Tilt Poker Game #3699733533: $33 + $3 Sit & Go (Turbo) (28205294), Table 1 - 200/400 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:57:50 ET - 2007/09/28
Seat 3: NignamedRussel (2,650)
Seat 5: HERO (7,090)
Seat 6: mikedb (3,760)
HERO posts the small blind of 200
mikedb posts the big blind of 400
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [As Ah]
NignamedRussel folds
HERO raises to 800
mikedb calls 400
*** FLOP *** [Js Th Ts]
HERO bets 800
mikedb calls 800
*** TURN *** [Js Th Ts] [Jh]
HERO ??????????????
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taipan168
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Considering stack sizes and the amount in the pot already I think I shove over here. There are 3200 chips in the pot and opp has 2160 chips behind. You can't fold here.
On the flop, I don't hate your bet but personally I would have made it look a bit more like a regular c-bet, so 1000-1200 or so to go.
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badgers
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Don't minraise pre. 1k or shove.
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Geanosssss
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pretty sick...
this on the bubble or what?
Theres a big chance he has a draw here. I prolly check and fold to a bet, or assume he has a draw if he checks behind.
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TLR
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Bet the flop more agressively.
I would probably push and pray on the turn
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drmcboy
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think about stack sizes before you play a pot
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thats poker man
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KillThatInfidel
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I was thinking about stack sizes. I thought that the min bet pre was just about the only sized raise i could make where he would be comfortable trying to resteal. As for the flop, i think i should have made it more, but its not THAT bad since he shoves over here everytime with a draw or a J, i think.
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KillThatInfidel
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This isnt the bubble. We are in the money as it was a 9 way.
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bigspenda73
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what does shoving the turn accomplish here?
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taipan168
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Come to think of it, if you've been abusing the other players as the big stack, and given it's been folded to you in the SB, I like to either shove here (if you've been shoving a lot) or just complete and hope that opp shoves over. Standard raising looks very suspicious if you've been shoving like crazy up to this point.
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drmcboy
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Originally Posted by KillThatInfidel
I was thinking about stack sizes. I thought that the min bet pre was just about the only sized raise i could make where he would be comfortable trying to resteal. As for the flop, i think i should have made it more, but its not THAT bad since he shoves over here everytime with a draw or a J, i think.
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Point is by min raising pre you end up in a spot where you can't get commited if he calls the flop. And why wouldn't he shove over a bigger flop bet with a J or a draw?
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what does shoving the turn accomplish here?
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spenda you'll scare them if you tell them sometimes calling is OK and shoving just helps everything they beat fold. See this thread:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-60995.htm
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Jack Sawyer
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Originally Posted by badgers
Don't minraise pre. 1.4k+ or shove.
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bigspenda73
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Originally Posted by drmcboy
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I see what you did there. Yea, it's poker theory really guys. There comes a time when you have to think about their hand more than yours...
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badgers
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Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
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Originally Posted by badgers
Don't minraise pre. 1.4k+ or shove.
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1.4k leaves almost no FE and makes that very clear to opp. 1k is much better, it gives the illusion of FE and opp might just try and resteal.
I tend to just shove this anyway tbh because opp will be getting angry with my bullying by this point  Depends how the tourney has played out before this.
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Jack Sawyer
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With the big stack, I abuse other stacks like there's no tommorow.
I don't really care for FE, I just prefer giving telling them outright that every hand they'll play against me, they'll have to commit their stack.
If they call 800, they'll call 1k, they'll probably also call 1.4k. Then, you can easily shove flop.
No need to get overcomplicated in such an easy situation.
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badgers
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Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
With the big stack, I abuse other stacks like there's no tommorow.
I don't really care for FE, I just prefer giving telling them outright that every hand they'll play, they'll have to commit their stack.
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So wait, you want villain to fold when you have aces?
If you want to play that way - shove. It looks MUCH weaker than a raise to 1.4k.
I don't know why we're having this discussion though since we both play cash atm
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Jack Sawyer
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LOL, becuse SNG's were the bread and butter of my poker past 
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Originally Posted by badgers
If you want to play that way - shove. It looks MUCH weaker than a raise to 1.4k.
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Not when you've been raising varied amounts every other hand, as you should, with the big stack
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bjsaust
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Originally Posted by drmcboy
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This isnt quite the spot for it, but wouldnt you sometimes shove a turn like this so that someone who thinks you're stealing the pot calls? In this case maybe someone with an A but no J or T. Maybe a QK hand who has a draw and a good kicker? Although frankly the only hand which might call this is an open ended straight flush draw.
In general though, one thing people need to realise is they need to have a plan. What are they hoping will happen if the make a certain play?
I...dunno.
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bigspenda73
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Lol drmc, see what happens when you try to discuss poker theory in the sng forum, the topic magically always goes back to PF.
One of these days you guys will discover the magical world of the turn and/or river. They are wonderful places, full of value, fold equity, and hand ranges.
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bjsaust
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I'm still torn between c/c and c/f.
What about something like another 800 or say a 1200 bet on the turn? How much of his range is a draw, and how much is a Jx?
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badgers
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
Lol drmc, see what happens when you try to discuss poker theory in the sng forum, the topic magically always goes back to PF.
One of these days you guys will discover the magical world of the turn and/or river. They are wonderful places, full of value, fold equity, and hand ranges.
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Sorry I was just disputing the fyp, but don't go too fast spenda, I've barely even discovered the flop yet, as drmc will verify!
I guess since we aren't getting away from this hand the question is whether opp is more likely to call a push light because "we're bluffing", or bluff himself. I'd say the second so c/c is goot, yes? Then do we shove river for value from A/K high, or c/c again?
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bjsaust
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We can still fold this and have even stacks btw.
Not saying thats the right play, but in 22 posts only one seems to mention the possibility when we could well be drawing to 2 outs.
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KillThatInfidel
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I shoved here. He auto called on K10.
Ended up doubling up the other guy in the sng all his chips in the next 4-5 hands. I got HU with around the same stack and lost.
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