Good spot for short stack push?

**LordVTR** · 05-07-2007 12:10 PM

Hi all,

$4.40 180 seat on stars, blinds 75/150, Hero is UTG+2, M of just under 10 with 99. UTG limps, UTG+1 shoves his 720 chips. Is this a good spot to push to try and isolate UTG+1 assuming he is pushing wide with an M of only 3? Or is it too risky given 6 players (4 biggish stacks) still to act behind and getting pot odds around1.5/1? do I have enough chips to make this move or should I wait for a better spot? I'm inclined to think that this is a +ve play but would like to hear the thoughts of the more experienced players on the forum either confirming or putting me straight on this!!

PokerStars Game #9790828965: Tournament #49682874, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/05/07 - 07:16:29 (ET)
Table '49682874 20' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Hero (2200 in chips)
Seat 2: Fialka66 (5465 in chips)
Seat 3: ToonPokert (6255 in chips)
Seat 4: atrainas (1240 in chips)
Seat 5: BigFreeze101 (6295 in chips)
Seat 6: Silke1006 (5360 in chips)
Seat 7: banderilia (1150 in chips)
Seat 8: Beile1982 (5745 in chips)
Seat 9: Villain (870 in chips)
Silke1006: posts small blind 75
banderilia: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero[9s 9d]
Beile1982: calls 150
Rauchwolke: raises 720 to 870 and is all-in
LordVFR: Hero??

**Sprayed** · 05-07-2007 02:13 PM

Push to isolate is fine with your stack. 99 plays pretty well here.

**dsmrolla06** · 05-07-2007 02:55 PM

You can push or fold here, they both have their own arguments to support them. Its kinda hard to say what i would do as it would depend on the reads i have on the stacks behind me. Its probly something like 65% push, 35% fold for me, but thats just guessing.

**Sheetah** · 05-07-2007 03:28 PM

Push is probably not bad but I think I'd fold here - too many IFs. What's your read on UTG? I'm always suspicious of early player open limping. And what's your read on UTG+1? Is there a great possibility of you being either coin-flip or dominated? Then there are lots of them to act behind. I dunno ... 99 is not such a great hand that early and your M is not really that low. Maybe I'm just a nit but if you get just one more caller then it's pray-time.

**Miffed22001** · 05-07-2007 03:32 PM

with your stack i dont think you get much choice here....

**drmcboy** · 05-07-2007 03:43 PM

unless you have a rock read on UTG, this is an easy push.

**LordVTR** · 05-07-2007 03:58 PM

Miffed22001

with your stack i dont think you get much choice here....

Yes this was a major part of my thinking. I need to get some chips fast if I'm going to be in contention and 99 is playable. I remember reading in HOH about this move as means of isolating a short stack pusher but I think he was advocating it when you have a big stack yourself and put in a large raise to keep the other large stacks out. Obviously in this situation my FE is very slim if anything at all, but if I isolate him then my 99 is prolly ahead and if its not, I still have 1300 chips to play with if I lose, assuming no calls of my all in of course which was possible with 6 still to act and UTG possibly trapping.

05-07-2007 12:10 PM #1
LordVTR View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Nov 2006 Posts 103 Location Leaving the building.......thank you very much	Good spot for short stack push? Hi all, $4.40 180 seat on stars, blinds 75/150, Hero is UTG+2, M of just under 10 with 99. UTG limps, UTG+1 shoves his 720 chips. Is this a good spot to push to try and isolate UTG+1 assuming he is pushing wide with an M of only 3? Or is it too risky given 6 players (4 biggish stacks) still to act behind and getting pot odds around1.5/1? do I have enough chips to make this move or should I wait for a better spot? I'm inclined to think that this is a +ve play but would like to hear the thoughts of the more experienced players on the forum either confirming or putting me straight on this!! PokerStars Game #9790828965: Tournament #49682874, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/05/07 - 07:16:29 (ET) Table '49682874 20' 9-max Seat #5 is the button Seat 1: Hero (2200 in chips) Seat 2: Fialka66 (5465 in chips) Seat 3: ToonPokert (6255 in chips) Seat 4: atrainas (1240 in chips) Seat 5: BigFreeze101 (6295 in chips) Seat 6: Silke1006 (5360 in chips) Seat 7: banderilia (1150 in chips) Seat 8: Beile1982 (5745 in chips) Seat 9: Villain (870 in chips) Silke1006: posts small blind 75 banderilia: posts big blind 150 * HOLE CARDS * Dealt to Hero[9s 9d] Beile1982: calls 150 Rauchwolke: raises 720 to 870 and is all-in LordVFR: Hero??
	Lord VTR Grant me the strength to accept the things I cant change, the courage to change the things I can........and the wisdom to know the difference.
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05-07-2007 02:13 PM #2
Sprayed View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 3,326 Location GO BUCKS!	Push to isolate is fine with your stack. 99 plays pretty well here.

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05-07-2007 02:55 PM #3
dsmrolla06 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Apr 2006 Posts 1,348 Location South Bend IN	You can push or fold here, they both have their own arguments to support them. Its kinda hard to say what i would do as it would depend on the reads i have on the stacks behind me. Its probly something like 65% push, 35% fold for me, but thats just guessing.

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05-07-2007 03:28 PM #4
Sheetah View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Oct 2006 Posts 302	Push is probably not bad but I think I'd fold here - too many IFs. What's your read on UTG? I'm always suspicious of early player open limping. And what's your read on UTG+1? Is there a great possibility of you being either coin-flip or dominated? Then there are lots of them to act behind. I dunno ... 99 is not such a great hand that early and your M is not really that low. Maybe I'm just a nit but if you get just one more caller then it's pray-time.

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05-07-2007 03:32 PM #5
Miffed22001 View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Jun 2005 Posts 10,440 Location Marry Me Cheryl!!!	with your stack i dont think you get much choice here....

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05-07-2007 03:43 PM #6
drmcboy View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message DrButtInski Join Date Aug 2004 Posts 10,670	unless you have a rock read on UTG, this is an easy push.

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05-07-2007 03:58 PM #7
LordVTR View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Nov 2006 Posts 103 Location Leaving the building.......thank you very much	Miffed22001 with your stack i dont think you get much choice here.... Yes this was a major part of my thinking. I need to get some chips fast if I'm going to be in contention and 99 is playable. I remember reading in HOH about this move as means of isolating a short stack pusher but I think he was advocating it when you have a big stack yourself and put in a large raise to keep the other large stacks out. Obviously in this situation my FE is very slim if anything at all, but if I isolate him then my 99 is prolly ahead and if its not, I still have 1300 chips to play with if I lose, assuming no calls of my all in of course which was possible with 6 still to act and UTG possibly trapping.
	Lord VTR Grant me the strength to accept the things I cant change, the courage to change the things I can........and the wisdom to know the difference.
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